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Jon Inactive Member
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This thread also isn't just about terrorism.
Love your enemies!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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So, that doesn't mean you cannot answer the question.
It's as if we had a thread about the alphabet and you refused to answer a question about the letter Q, because the thread isn't just about Q
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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In today's New York Times: Origins of Jihadist-Inspired Attacks in the U.S. From the front page intro:
quote: --Percy
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3983 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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We're all more likely to be shot up in a school, theater or work-place by a white American male than we are to be victims of Muslim terror...or in our homes, because the kids got into the guns.
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Jon Inactive Member |
I am not going to answer a loaded question that is artificially narrow in its scope.
I will address the broader issue, though, by telling you that my concern is with permitting folk into the West through any avenue of entry who are likely to spread intolerance, which would include acts of terrorism but is by no means limited to acts of terrorism. Love your enemies!
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3983 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Cat Sci writes: Anyways, if I got you right: our survival is doomed because limited resources make our growth unsustainable and sociopolitical evolution beyond the nation state is necessary to survive that. ? Maybe I'm too naively futuristic, but couldn't looking away from the planet and towards space be a viable alternative to making us all get along? (collectively) I'm not saying your idea sucks, I'm just not convinced it is necessary. Perhaps we should find a new topic for that, and just high-five for both welcoming Syrian refugees. Or not, w/e. (Upon re-reading my characterization, it seemed cheesier than I intended. I get why you thought I was being disingenuously pedantic with the later questions. I try to avoid too many rhetorical questions so as to not dilute the sincerity of the real ones. So if I'm asking you, in particular, then I prolly mean it.) Thanks, especially for the tone of your reply. I'm in the middle of a med adjustment (endocrine, not psych), and I think my irritability has shown here for a few days...(months....years...). Apologies to all; individual apologies are available upon application (shouts out to Coyote and AZPaul3...). So, first, yeah: high five on the Syrian refugees. The practical arguments for immigration are the best--powerful, with wide commonality of interests--but the ideological ones against are so offensive to me that I usually blow right past the pragmatic. Not so much doomed by limited resources vs. exponential growth, serious as that is, but rather existentially threatened because nationalism is preventing global solutions to global problems: that is an existential threat, esp. in the context of resources vs. growth. I don't know if we can get sustainable colonies off-planet before the disaffected pull us down with their cold dying hands Maybe. I think it will be close; I agree with Hawking that it is imperative, and in the meantime we should STFU. On the other hand, I'm old, and like the hard drinking and smoking Leonard Bernstein said when he reached 70, "I beat the rap!" Like many old-timers, I sometimes find myself watching younger folks stubbing their toes with grim satisfaction; I fight it. Family here--more later."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Jon Inactive Member |
I love how people continue to reply under the "Benefits of Islam" heading but that no one has made any honest attempt at discussing the benefits, if there are any, of Islam.
Can anyone think of any benefits of Islam?Love your enemies!
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Can anyone think of any benefits of Islam?
Sure, it's the one true religion.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Apologies to all; individual apologies are available upon application (shouts out to Coyote and AZPaul3...). ??? I'm sure if you have gotten crosswise with me I more than deserved it. No apologies requested or necessary.
Like many old-timers, I sometimes find myself watching younger folks stubbing their toes with grim satisfaction... So it's not the med adjustment after all. You're just crotchety.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Jon writes: Can anyone think of any benefits of Islam? I must say I have benefited from Muslim hospitality. If you are a guest or even a stranger entering the domicile, most in my experience will bend over backwards to make you comfortable. Just be respectful and take off your shoes if requested, not unlike some other cultures. Also, a Muslim C.S. major from India introduced me to the WWW and taught me the basics of coding in HTML back in 1994, so there is always that little counter to any accusation of not benefiting from an adherent of Islam, or for that matter any "dark ages" rhetoric concerning at least some Muslims. However directly or indirectly Islam influenced their kindness toward me, it directly benefited me, so that is my answer to your question. I feel it is no different from a professed Christian, Jew, Atheist or Pagan whatever being kind. If they feel it comes from their religion, I'm fine with that. The world needs more wisdom and kindness, not more hate and fear.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Jon writes: Can anyone think of any benefits of Islam? Can't that same question be asked of any religion? I imagine the answer is the same for Islam as it is for many other religions: it brings people closer to God. --Percy
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Jon writes: Can anyone think of any benefits of Islam? Sorry, I didn't think you meant this question seriously. The benefits of Islam are: Happiness, peace, love, growth, friendship, and strength, to name a few. Really, the benefits are the same as any other mainstream religion or even atheism.
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 369 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined:
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Can anyone think of any benefits of Islam? Supposedly, it makes it easier to identify the terrorists.
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Jon Inactive Member
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Jon writes: Can anyone think of any benefits of Islam? Can't that same question be asked of any religion? Can and should be. Along with the question of 'what are the costs?' it's part of determining whether we tolerate such things or not.Love your enemies!
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
A young lady in a niqab smiled at me once. It was subtle, like prairie scenery, but well worth noticing.
Can anyone think of any benefits of Islam?
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