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Phat
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Message 25 of 508 (772452)
11-14-2015 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Tangle
11-14-2015 5:56 AM


Whats so super about superstition?
Tangle writes:
PEOPLE do these things; superstitious people deluded by fanatical religious belief.
I just heard about it this morning---been busy working and dealing with the holiday rush at the grocery store.
I browsed the media and found a good article on the summation---What ISIS Really Wants
Some notable quotes from the article:
The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategyand for how to stop it.(...)
Our ignorance of the Islamic State is in some ways understandable: It is a hermit kingdom; few have gone there and returned.(...)We can gather that their state rejects peace as a matter of principle; that it hungers for genocide; that its religious views make it constitutionally incapable of certain types of change, even if that change might ensure its survival; and that it considers itself a harbinger ofand headline player inthe imminent end of the world.
Given that last statement, I can fully understand your logical reaction to extremist religion in general.
The fundamentalist Christians, of whom I know and associate with, will be ill advised to see this as a beginning of the end. Logic, reason, and reality will be needed in large measure to defeat this enemy.
I agree with you, Tangle in that this madness must stop.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 28 of 508 (772456)
11-14-2015 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
11-14-2015 4:16 AM


Response?
Faith writes:
We must pretend these are truly refugees and give up everything for them and pretend it's just a tiny minority of .... well somebody else I guess... that's doing the bombing. And the raping too that's going on all over Europe. We must give up our own living spaces for them.
As Christians, we need to do as jesus would have done....not what a patriotic global empires responses might be.
POGO aptly said that we have met the enemy and he is us.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 30 of 508 (772458)
11-14-2015 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
11-14-2015 9:30 AM


The problem is in our beliefs.
Faith writes:
The problem is that Islam is an ideology that preaches violence and death against outsiders. THAT is the problem. Any other analysis is only going to prolong the problem.
I totally disagree.
Would you like to be labled---as a Christian---based on the ideology of David Koresh?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 49 of 508 (772483)
11-14-2015 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
11-14-2015 1:30 PM


Re: The problem is in our beliefs.
Faith writes:
Hey, nobody wants to understand the reality here. Fine, I'll stay out of it.
No, I want you to observe the global reaction and judge people based on your heart---as Jesus would do. I believe that many people in the US confuse and conflate Christianity with Patriotism. Additionally, I have seen no evidence that the problem is Islam--the greater religious group of a billion people worldwide. I happen to know many Islamic people who are very civilized, moral, and who also have turned their facebook pictures temporarily into the French colors out of respect.
Some of my internet friends live in Sweden. They have very similar dreams and ambitions in life as young Americans--both Christian and secular. They are very similar to Americans and are very respectful of God.
The problem of evil transcends religions and cultural boundaries. Evil is a condition of the human heart--perhaps born out of desperation at times.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 205 of 508 (772782)
11-18-2015 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by dronestar
11-18-2015 3:51 PM


Re: Once upon a time . . .
Except that we dont want Saudi Arabia actively against us....they have the weapons...and the money...and the OIL....to do serious damage by supporting our enemies even more actively than they do now.
Politics makes strange bedfellows and we want Saudi Arabia in our bed as long as possible.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 234 of 508 (772879)
11-20-2015 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by dronestar
11-18-2015 4:28 PM


Re: A Few Details
how about, . . . stop supporting Saudi Arabia?
This would seem to be the first step. Also wouldn't take ANY effort.
I fear that the consequences would bankrupt us. I agree with you that it is moral not to support them. I feel, however, that in order to remain a global superpower we must be on good terms with them. How much are we the people willing to sacrifice simply for being morally the good guys?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 369 of 508 (773486)
12-02-2015 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 368 by ringo
12-02-2015 2:25 PM


Heroes and Zeroes
we call the guy that wins at Monopoly the hero. We call the guy who knocks over the board...when he is losing...a bad sport.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 375 of 508 (773521)
12-03-2015 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 373 by ringo
12-03-2015 10:38 AM


Re: Heroes and Zeroes
But they're not losing.
Their dream of an ideal Muslim Utopia is losing. The culture that they live in is dominated by wealthy sell-outs to the West...while the people-at-large are unable to earn decent livings en mass.
Christian Fundamentalists quite possibly would also become violent were their American Dream Utopia destroyed. If we can't raise our children in a world of opportunity, Nobody Else will succeed either!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 447 of 508 (773649)
12-05-2015 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 445 by Tangle
12-05-2015 9:40 AM


Re: Perhaps Some Long-Term Perspective
Tangle writes:
I was hoping for something better.
We all always hope for something better...but that last post of yours summed up the arguments rather nicely. POTM

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 473 of 508 (773784)
12-09-2015 3:58 AM
Reply to: Message 472 by Tangle
12-09-2015 3:26 AM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
If we said as Jon suggested, They would make us give up Jesus.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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