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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle writes: I just heard about it this morning---been busy working and dealing with the holiday rush at the grocery store. PEOPLE do these things; superstitious people deluded by fanatical religious belief. I browsed the media and found a good article on the summation---What ISIS Really Wants Some notable quotes from the article:
The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategyand for how to stop it.(...) Given that last statement, I can fully understand your logical reaction to extremist religion in general.Our ignorance of the Islamic State is in some ways understandable: It is a hermit kingdom; few have gone there and returned.(...)We can gather that their state rejects peace as a matter of principle; that it hungers for genocide; that its religious views make it constitutionally incapable of certain types of change, even if that change might ensure its survival; and that it considers itself a harbinger ofand headline player inthe imminent end of the world. The fundamentalist Christians, of whom I know and associate with, will be ill advised to see this as a beginning of the end. Logic, reason, and reality will be needed in large measure to defeat this enemy. I agree with you, Tangle in that this madness must stop.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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Faith writes: As Christians, we need to do as jesus would have done....not what a patriotic global empires responses might be. We must pretend these are truly refugees and give up everything for them and pretend it's just a tiny minority of .... well somebody else I guess... that's doing the bombing. And the raping too that's going on all over Europe. We must give up our own living spaces for them. POGO aptly said that we have met the enemy and he is us. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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Faith writes: I totally disagree. The problem is that Islam is an ideology that preaches violence and death against outsiders. THAT is the problem. Any other analysis is only going to prolong the problem. Would you like to be labled---as a Christian---based on the ideology of David Koresh?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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Faith writes: No, I want you to observe the global reaction and judge people based on your heart---as Jesus would do. I believe that many people in the US confuse and conflate Christianity with Patriotism. Additionally, I have seen no evidence that the problem is Islam--the greater religious group of a billion people worldwide. I happen to know many Islamic people who are very civilized, moral, and who also have turned their facebook pictures temporarily into the French colors out of respect. Hey, nobody wants to understand the reality here. Fine, I'll stay out of it. Some of my internet friends live in Sweden. They have very similar dreams and ambitions in life as young Americans--both Christian and secular. They are very similar to Americans and are very respectful of God. The problem of evil transcends religions and cultural boundaries. Evil is a condition of the human heart--perhaps born out of desperation at times. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Except that we dont want Saudi Arabia actively against us....they have the weapons...and the money...and the OIL....to do serious damage by supporting our enemies even more actively than they do now.
Politics makes strange bedfellows and we want Saudi Arabia in our bed as long as possible. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
how about, . . . stop supporting Saudi Arabia? I fear that the consequences would bankrupt us. I agree with you that it is moral not to support them. I feel, however, that in order to remain a global superpower we must be on good terms with them. How much are we the people willing to sacrifice simply for being morally the good guys? This would seem to be the first step. Also wouldn't take ANY effort.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
we call the guy that wins at Monopoly the hero. We call the guy who knocks over the board...when he is losing...a bad sport.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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But they're not losing. Their dream of an ideal Muslim Utopia is losing. The culture that they live in is dominated by wealthy sell-outs to the West...while the people-at-large are unable to earn decent livings en mass. Christian Fundamentalists quite possibly would also become violent were their American Dream Utopia destroyed. If we can't raise our children in a world of opportunity, Nobody Else will succeed either!Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle writes: We all always hope for something better...but that last post of yours summed up the arguments rather nicely. POTM I was hoping for something better.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
If we said as Jon suggested, They would make us give up Jesus.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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