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Message 421 of 1639 (773206)
11-26-2015 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 418 by Dr Adequate
11-26-2015 1:02 AM


Re: Things Ben Carson Doesn't Know
... he had confused New Jersey with the Middle East.
That's understandable. It was in East New Jersey, Iran.

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Message 422 of 1639 (773647)
12-05-2015 2:02 PM


Is Trump A Fascist?
The following appeared on reddit, and, though I'm loath to admit it, was written by someone who isn't me. Normally people like that suck, but this is one of those rare exceptions.
"Hey Trump, are you a fascist?"
"You know what, that's something we have to consider closely, something we gotta look at, because we have to make America great again. We don't win anymore. Now you look at some of the fascists, in their early days, they won. They won. They didn't win towards the end because they made a whole bunch of mistakes. Like Franco. Franco made a whole bunch of mistakes and I wouldn't. But he had a country. He had borders. He put up a wall between Morocco and Spain and you know what? Morocco paid for it. Morocco paid for it.
And you know what? Franco took care of his vets! He was very strong in military. So strong on military. And our wounded warriors. How about them folks. I'd be so strong on veterans. Oh my gosh I'd build hospitals so fast for them. It's a disgrace how we treat our veterans.
And Franco was very strong on military. And let me tell you Id be very strong on military.
And how about values folks? What's the best book? That's right! It's the bible. The bible is my favorite book. Great book. What's the second best book? That's right, that guy has it there, THE ART OF THE DEAL! Go ahead and hold it up. You know, a lot of great fascists had a lot of great books. And you know what? They hated communism.
You know who else hates communism? Trump! Trump hates communism. Nobody hates communism more than trump. You know, I don't get enough credit for it, but I spoke out against the soviets in he eighties. Yeah. But those media back there, they won't write about it. THEY WONT WRITE ABOUT IT. I know. They're so dishonest. So dishonest. And you know who else is a communist?
That's right! Bernie Sanders. Oh my. Oh my. Can you believe this guy? He wants free college and free healthcare for everybody! For everybody!!! Can you imagine that? You know who else was for that? That's right, Stalin. Stalin. And you know who prevented universal healthcare in Spain? That's right, Franco. You know, Spain only started getting into this mess when it switched to democracy. It's true. It's true. I hate to say it, but it's true. They switched away from fascism and now look at them. They're poor. They have 40 percent unemployment. Their country is a liberal mess. They don't win anymore.
But Franco made great deals. Oh my gosh great deals! He got Germany to bomb the hell out of the rebels. Paid nothing. It was a great deal. It was a great deal for him. And then, he stayed out of the Second World War! He stayed out of it! He let Hitler and Stalin tear each other apart! And, by the way, I'm just fine with letting Russia bomb ISIS. I've been saying it for a long time. Bomb the oilfields. Why are we worried about Russia doing it? Let them. Franco did. And I made great deals too. Amazing deals. Yuuuuge deals.
So you know, people talk about fascism like its a bad thing. But they won a lot. They won a lot. And we don't win anymore. We don't. And what's the problem with fascism? They say it like its a bad thing. Like its a PC thing! It's always about tone now. But you know what? I'm not worried about tone, so let them write whatever they want about fascism because they don't know what they're talking about. Alright, next question.

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jar
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Message 423 of 1639 (773653)
12-05-2015 4:32 PM
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12-05-2015 2:02 PM


Re: Is Trump A Fascist?
How long is the border between Spain and Morocco and how high was the fence?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 424 of 1639 (773654)
12-05-2015 4:59 PM
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12-05-2015 4:32 PM


Re: Is Trump A Fascist?
The fence is 3m high and approx 11 km long ;-)
(To be fair, I looked that up - I'm not that familiar with it - but it's a bit of disputed territory in the Med)
Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 425 of 1639 (773657)
12-05-2015 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by Dr Adequate
12-05-2015 2:02 PM


Re: Is Trump A Fascist?
Steve Benson for December 03, 2015 - GoComics
Steve Benson thinks so.
Ted Rall for December 04, 2015 - GoComics
Ted Rall thinks so.
So does corporate media want people to think so and that this is a way to discredit him?
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Message 426 of 1639 (773658)
12-06-2015 1:20 AM
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12-05-2015 2:02 PM


Re: Is Trump A Fascist?
So you know, people talk about fascism like its a bad thing. But they won a lot. They won a lot. And we don't win anymore. We don't. And what's the problem with fascism? They say it like its a bad thing. Like its a PC thing! It's always about tone now. But you know what? I'm not worried about tone, so let them write whatever they want about fascism because they don't know what they're talking about.
Well, that's a stunning admission. Yes, he's a fascist and, yes, he is a dangerously unstable human being who everyone should be terrified of to have control over a nuclear arsenal. I can imagine anyone thinking he'd be a good presidential candidate except for an extreme fringe of the rightwing.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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AZPaul3
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Message 427 of 1639 (773660)
12-06-2015 1:38 AM
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12-05-2015 5:53 PM


Re: Is Trump A Fascist?
So does corporate media want people to think so and that this is a way to discredit him?
Discredit?
How about reflection.

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Message 428 of 1639 (773672)
12-06-2015 1:20 PM
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12-06-2015 1:20 AM


Re: Is Trump A Fascist?
Hyroglyphx writes:
Yes, he's a fascist and, yes, he is a dangerously unstable human being who everyone should be terrified of to have control over a nuclear arsenal.
So will he be re-elected in 2020?

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Message 429 of 1639 (773764)
12-08-2015 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by Dr Adequate
12-05-2015 2:02 PM


Re: Is Trump A Fascist?
Now you look at some of the fascists, in their early days, they won. They won. They didn't win towards the end because they made a whole bunch of mistakes. Like Franco.
The scary thing, of course, is that Franco won all the way up to the end. Franco died at the age of 82, still President of Spain. His last statue stood until 2008.
Trump is not a fascist, however, if we want the word 'fascist' to actually mean something and not simply be a catchall word for people whose politics we disapprove of. For example, this claim:
And you know who prevented universal healthcare in Spain? That's right, Franco.
Is obvious nonsense. Franco's regime introduced a compulsory health insurance scheme funded by taxation - similar to those much of Europe uses today. There is a distinctly socialistic element to fascism, which is missing from Trump's ideas. Trump is simply a racist populist, in a country where populism is unusually devoid of socialist ideas.

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Message 430 of 1639 (773768)
12-08-2015 4:28 PM
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12-08-2015 4:22 PM


Re: Is Trump A Fascist?
... Trump is simply a racist populist, ...
Xenophobic jingoist egotist more than racist.
Edited by RAZD, : .

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Message 431 of 1639 (773774)
12-08-2015 5:52 PM
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12-08-2015 4:28 PM


Re: Is Trump A Fascist?
... Trump is simply a racist populist, ...
Xenophobic jingoist egotist more than racist.
Xenophobic jingoist egotist + Super Asshole = Steaming Pile of Shit

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
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Message 432 of 1639 (773779)
12-08-2015 10:35 PM


This too shall pass
The US survived another Xenophobic jingoist egotist + Super Asshole = Steaming Pile of Shit Bullshit Artist named Ronald Reagan so it's likely the US would survive even Donald Trump.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 433 of 1639 (773781)
12-09-2015 2:30 AM



  
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Message 434 of 1639 (773793)
12-09-2015 9:18 AM
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12-08-2015 10:35 PM


Re: This too shall pass
The US survived another Xenophobic jingoist egotist + Super Asshole = Steaming Pile of Shit Bullshit Artist named Ronald Reagan so it's likely the US would survive even Donald Trump.
And it took 8 years of Clinton to reach 80% recovery from the damage, and we are still paying for the remaining 20%.
Just like it has taken 7 years of Obama to reach 80% recovery from the damage done by the Bushnuts who took us back to the economic collapse economics of Reagan tax give-aways and war machinery.
Could we recover from another Idiocracy president? or is there a point of no return.
Curiously I don't want to find out.
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Message 435 of 1639 (773818)
12-09-2015 3:48 PM
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12-08-2015 10:35 PM


Re: This too shall pass
The US survived another Xenophobic jingoist egotist + Super Asshole = Steaming Pile of Shit Bullshit Artist named Ronald Reagan so it's likely the US would survive even Donald Trump.
Whilst not a fan of Reagan, I don't really think he's comparable to Trump. Can't see Reagan proposing you ban all Muslims from the country.

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