Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based?

Hi Mod, What would be the mechanism that caused time to begin to exist at the Big Bang. So when there was no point in time and no points in space there was non existence.I don't know if you can visualize non existence or not. Non existence would mean there would be no quarks, no vacuum, no space, no time, no place for anything to exist, there would be an absence of any thing.That would mean the singularity (at which a function takes an infinite value) could not exist as it would be absent in non existence.What mechanism would you propose to solve that problem?I propose an eternally existing Supernatural Power I call God that could provide the infinite energy and mass that forms our universe today.God Bless,

Hi Mod, So what existed at T=0?I can tell you what did not exist there.
There was no universe.
There was no space-time.
There was no energy.
There was no mass.
There was no vacuum.
None of these things existed until T=0^-9 according to the standard model.
There was also non existence there as nothing exists outside of the universe according to the BBT.Yet 1 nano second after T=0 the universe existed and was expanding according to the Big Bang Theory.T=0 had to exist for T=0^-9 to exist.T=0 had to exist for there to be a duration measured as 0^-9 which is a nano second, which equals to 1 billionth of a second.So the universe had a beginning to exist at T=0^-9 according to the BBT.Since Space-time, energy, and mass are a part of the universe they had to have a beginning to exist at T=0^-9.So what existed at T=0?If the BBT is correct there was non existence at T=0. So let me get what you are telling me straight .The universe began to exist at T=0^-9with space-time in the universe as well as all the energy and mass that can be observed as well as that that can not be observed.. Therefore there is no point in time the universe did not exist nor no point in space the universe did not exist. Yet the universe can not exit in time or space as they are in the universe not outside the universe for the universe to exist in.This sounds like the cat chasing his tail, or circular reasoning.

Hi NoNukes, Sorry you didn't like the information from Nasa's child website.You need to be a little more specific than just post links. Because I could not find any answer to the question what is gravity?So could you be specific and post quotes from the links that support your assertions.God Bless,

Hi NoNukes, My question: "What is Gravity"?Your answer general relativity completely describes what gravity is.Then you say each link you gave gives me the effects of gravity.Holding an apple in my hand at arms length and turning my hand over and the effects of that, is that the apple will hit the floor. Simply gives me the results of gravity. It has nothing to do with what gravity is.Neither do the effect of gravity in your 3 links tell me what gravity is.God Bless,

Hi Phat, But they have not explained the beginning.They think they have figured out what happened after T=0^-9 but prior to that anything would be pure speculation. So the beginning is pure speculation.God Bless,

Hi Mod, Then where did it exist? Are we in agreement that the universe is self contained and there is nothing outside of the universe according to the standard theory?If that is true then there are two choices as to why the universe exists.It is either eternal or had a beginning to exist, which is it?If the universe has not existed eternally in the past in some form it had to have a beginning to exist.If it had a beginning to exist that would require non existence preceded the universe.And the universe spontaneously begin to exist from non existence.ORThere was a Supernatural Power which is outside of the universe to provide the energy and mass the universe was formed from.God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

Hi NoNukes, The first source you gave says:

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Two objects exert a force of attraction on one another known as "gravity." Sir Isaac Newton quantified the gravity between two objects when he formulated his three laws of motion.

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So 2 objects of mass exert a force that attracts each other. Whatever is doing the attraction is called gravity.The first page shows a picture of the earth warping space on one side of the earth. What happens to the space on the other side of the earth? Does it warp out the same way? If it does what fills the void between the surface of the earth and this curved space?Your second link says:

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Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity is one of the towering achievements of 20th-century physics. Published in 1916, it explains that what we perceive as the force of gravity in fact arises from the curvature of space and time.

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Einstein proposed that objects such as the sun and the Earth change this geometry. In the presence of matter and energy it can evolve, stretch and warp, forming ridges, mountains and valleys that cause bodies moving through it to zigzag and curve. So although Earth appears to be pulled towards the sun by gravity, there is no such force. It is simply the geometry of space-time around the sun telling Earth how to move.

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This says there is no such force as gravity.This says there is no such force that the mass of the sun and the mass of the earth attract one another.That would mean when I take the apple in my hand at arms length and turn it upside down the apple will stay in my upside down hand.The third link says:

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As we have seen, matter does not simply pull on other matter across empty space, as Newton had imagined. Rather matter distorts space-time and it is this distorted space-time that in turn affects other matter

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This one says matter does pull on other matter and it distorts space-time. It goes on to say this distorted space-time affects other matter.It does not say distorted space-time causes matter to pull on other matter.I still can't find what gravity is. I find that the effects of gravity is that things don't fly apart and we don't float around on earth like we would in zero gravity.God Bless,

Hi Admin,Talking about gravity if basically for educational purposes. But I did propose that The Supernatural Power I call God holds the universe together.God Bless,

Hi Pressie, I was privileged to meet Him in 1964 when I was dead for 3 hours.I know you won't believe that and I can't help your unbelief.God Bless,

Hi Mod, But everywhere did not exist. Just what do you mean by a finite past?
Stephen Hawking said in "The Beginning of Time":

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The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago.

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I can find no added footnote to that lecture on his website so I would assume it still holds. The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404) But that universe has not existed forever. That means it had a beginning to exist.How could it begin to exist? Yes there is several possibilities but we are discussing the universe according to the standard model.1. The Supernatural power I call God could have supplied the energy and mass that created our universe.
2. The Hartly/Hawking instanton could have created the universe.
3. Two branes bumping together could have created the universe.
4. A former universe that had collapsed into a singularity could have created the universe.
5. The universe could have spontaneously created itself from non existence.
6. The universe could have existed eternally in the past but it would be dead by now. This was the reason for Einstein's fudge factor to make the universe static.#1 would be self sustaining.
#2 & 3 would require existence to exist that they could appear in for them to be able to create the universe.
#4 would require some mechanism to supply energy and mass, as the universe's lasting for an eternity would be dead by now as the energy would have all become useless energy.If you want me to understand your Godless universe you need to provide a mechanism whereby the infinite energy existed at T=0^-9 and began to expand creating your Godless universe.God Bless,

Hi NoNukes, What causes the curvature of the space time? Mass" Imagine setting a large body in the center of a trampoline."But space is not a sheet like a trampoline.Space fills the universe everywhere there is not mass.So actually the mass that is supposed to cause the curvature of space time is more like a fish in a fish bowl. The fish has water all around him and the mass has space all around it.God Bless,

Hi d, You do know that what you or I believe does not make any difference in the total scheme of things.But if you had read the thread before jumping in you might have understood what I was talking about.In Message 46 answering a question GIA asked I said:

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Greatest I am writes:

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Do you think Gods are manmade or do you believe in a supernatural God?

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I believe in a supernatural God.

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Everybody says why?

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Scientific fact: The universe has not always existed.
Scientific fact: The universe had a beginning to exist.
Scientific fact: The universe exists.

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Before the universe there would have been an absence of anything. No space, time, matter, energy, or vacuum, as all those began to exist when the universe began to exist.

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Now whatever caused the universe to have a beginning to exist from an absence of anything would be a supernatural power.

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I call that supernatural power God, what do you call it?

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In Message 110 I also said:

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Since the universe exists there had to be a supernatural power that is outside of the universe to provide the energy required to produce the mass and energy of the universe.

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Energy and mass can not be created or destroyed is a law of physics.

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Which would require a supernatural power to supply the energy and mass required to produce the universe as it is known.

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I call that supernatural power God. If you have an alternative to a supernatural power please present it.

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Now correct me if I am wrong in the following.1. The universe has not existed eternally in the past. If it did it would have been dead a long time ago as there would be no useable energy left as energy can not be created or destroyed.2. The universe does exist today.3. Since the universe did not exist eternally in the past but it does exist today means the universe had a beginning to exist.4. Since energy is required to produce the mass that makes up everything in the universe that energy had to be supplied by some means.4. This energy could not exist inside the universe as the universe did not exist.5. If there is nothing outside the universe to provide that energy that was required to produce the mass that formed the universe it would not exist today.6. No universe existing and nothing existing outside the universe would be non existence. Non existence can not produce anything.7. Since the universe does exist and could not have existed eternally in the past, the universe had a beginning to exist.8. Energy had to exist or there had to be an entity that existed that could provide the energy required to produce the universe and everything in it.9. I call that Supernatural energy God.God Bless,

Hi NoNukes, I do not believe that God is dark energy or dark matter as I told you I do not equate the three.I did state that God is the energy that holds the universe and everything in it together. Colossians 1:17. This was written 2,000 years before anyone put forth something was required hold the universe together.I also said God is what causes the universe to expand. Job 9:8, Psalm 104:2, Isaiah 40:22, 44:24, 45:12, 51:13, and Jeremiah 10:12, All these were written thousands of years before anyone knew the universe was expanding.You know that sounds like the Bible made predictions thousands of years before science came up with those ideas. Well science says gravity is what causes the curvature of spacetime.
Then turns around and says that the curvature of spacetime causes gravity.From your first source:

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The tug of gravity

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Two objects exert a force of attraction on one another known as "gravity." Sir Isaac Newton quantified the gravity between two objects when he formulated his three laws of motion. The force tugging between two bodies depends on how massive each one is and how far apart the two lie.

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From your second source:

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1. PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE

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Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity is one of the towering achievements of 20th-century physics. Published in 1916, it explains that what we perceive as the force of gravity in fact arises from the curvature of space and time.

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As we have seen, matter does not simply pull on other matter across empty space, as Newton had imagined. Rather matter distorts space-time and it is this distorted space-time that in turn affects other matter.

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So which is it? They don't agree.What kind of an entity is space time that it can be affected or have an effect on another entity?I know it is not a trampoline or a rubber sheet. I know it does not look like the picture on the opening page of your first source. Space surrounds the entire earth not just one side like the trampoline and bowling ball that is always used to explain how mass curves space time.The earth in space is like a fish in water it only takes up the space the mass occupies.It is a lot easier for me to believe the Supernatural power that was required to supply the energy that formed the mass of the universe and everything in it to put certain laws into effect and everything in the universe obeys those laws. That is except mankind, who chooses to believe what mankind wants to believe and do what mankind decides to do.God Bless,

Hi Mod, That statement would require that energy existed eternally in the past.If the energy existed eternally in the past, why did it wait so long to create the universe?Better yet what caused it to start the process of creating the universe.But wouldn't that mean that the energy exists outside of the universe? You have told me several times in the past that there is nothing outside the universe, as it is self contained.I have been told on this web site in no uncertain terms that there is nothing outside of the universe. If that is true your energy could not just exist.The energy just existing would require some place to exist, where did it exist? The universe did not exist.I believe that energy did exist. That is the reason I believe in a Supernatural power that supplied the energy required to create the universe we live in.The alternative is unthinkable. Existence beginning to exist from non existence.God Bless,

Hi Admin,I am sorry that my mind does not run in the same ruts that yours and others here does.The statements are:Mass has a pull on mass.Mass warps space-time.That warped space-time then causes gravity to work. The trampoline and ball example is then used to support that concept.I just spent the better part of an hour staring at a little ball running around a vortex caused by the earth warping space-time here. What Is Gravity? | NASA Space Place — NASA Science for KidsMy mind may be what is warped but I see a problem with the example.The mass of the earth would have to exert the same effect on all of space-time that surrounds the earth. Which would nullify any effect on the little ball as there would be no indention towards the earth in which the ball could fall towards the earth.That is the reason I have used the example several times that the mass in space-time would be like a fish in water. The mass would only displace space-time where it exists. Therefore there would be no curvature of space-time as presented.That brings us back to mass exerting pull on mass. Which means some kind of unknown energy (for a better word) operating in mysterious ways.Now if I am misunderstanding the effect of mass on space-time maybe someone would explain to me how the trampoline or sheet effect could be true.As always I believe it is all controlled by laws that the Supernatural power put into effect upon creation of the universe and everything in it.God Bless,