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NoNukes
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Message 452 of 508 (773682)
12-07-2015 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 451 by Tangle
12-07-2015 7:49 AM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
If moderate Muslims take this on board and keep saying it, at least it'll become obvious that the murdering toerags are a marginalised minority
I wish that were true, but it simply is not the case that what any Muslim condemnation matters to the rest of us. Muslims decry and publicly repudiate terrorism and terrorist actions every time they occur, and people still continue to ask each and every time 'Why don't Muslims condemn terrorist acts' exactly as though nothing had ever been said.
Sadly, I suspect it'll have as much effect as the 'no true Scotsman' argument has on Faith.
Or any other argument. But yeah, that calculation is about right.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 481 of 508 (773798)
12-09-2015 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 479 by 1.61803
12-09-2015 10:19 AM


Re: bump
The U.S. nuked Hiroshima . Do we now forfeit any credibility to speak out now against doing such a thing?
Quite frankly, I think being the only nation to ever use nuclear weapons does cost the US quite a bit of credibility when speaking out on nuclear disarmament. We still have to do support non proliferation, but even the fact that we posses one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world does undermine our voice in that area.
Do you really believe having nuked two cities does not cost us any credibility?
The U.S. has conducted Syphilis trials in the past,violating subjects confidence and health
You may have a point, but your line of argument may be undermining your attempts to make such a point. If you are going to build an argument based on questions, you should make sure you know your audience's response to those questions.
Edited by NoNukes, : Two for to and two for tea.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 488 of 508 (773823)
12-09-2015 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by 1.61803
12-09-2015 11:54 AM


Re: bump
Do you feel the US should withhold all comment on the subject since we are guilty of doing it in the past?
No. Of course we can comment. The question is whether or not such comments carry weight.
Well you answered yes to this so I'll move on.
Don't put words in my mouth. The US can comment, but nations who wish to acquire nuclear weapons can understandably give those comments very little weight.
ABE:
Here is what I actually said:
NoNukes writes:
We still have to do support non proliferation, but even the fact that we posses one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world does undermine our voice in that area.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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