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Jon
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Message 129 of 508 (772633)
11-17-2015 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Straggler
11-14-2015 11:57 AM


Re: A Few Details
ISIS do think that. But I am with Percy in the sense that such an extreme ideology wouldn't appeal to so many if it weren't for the fact so many effectively have lost hope to the point that platitudes like "violence solves nothing" are laughable. When it comes down to it what else is there but to rise up without regard for your life if you don't consider the future worth living?
You're wrong.
The ones committing these acts are not poor and beaten down. They are almost all Muslim immigrants to the West who have lived well in the lap of Western success, many having advanced educations and a good deal of money.
Indeed, given the resources required, it is pretty much impossible for poor dumb people to take part in such aggressions.
Their motivations are religious and ideological. Pretending they are anything else is to ignore all reality in a search for explanations secular minds find more cozy and understandable.
Blinders solve nothing.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 462 of 508 (773730)
12-08-2015 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 451 by Tangle
12-07-2015 7:49 AM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
"You ain't no Muslim, bruv." = lying for Muhammad.
If moderate Muslims take this on board and keep saying it, at least it'll become obvious that the murdering toerags are a marginalised minority and not representative of the beliefs of the majority of Muslims.
You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 468 of 508 (773747)
12-08-2015 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 464 by Tangle
12-08-2015 11:20 AM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
It's lying, plain and simple.
It's not powerful; it's cowardly and pathetic.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 470 of 508 (773777)
12-08-2015 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 469 by Tangle
12-08-2015 1:45 PM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
I think I've made my thoughts on this matter pretty clear already in other threads here, so I'll be brief:
  1. Islam was founded by the evil rapist and warlord Muhammad (his list of 'accomplishments' is actually much larger). Muslims idolize this man; indeed, he is the most important figure in their belief system after Allah himself. Groups like ISIS will continue to exist because those groups are right: their interpretation of Islam is not only in line with what is written in their scriptures, but carries on their great prophet's mission of subjecting the world to a backwards, oppressive theocracy. That said, the 'bruv' was an excellent Muslim.
  2. If folks like Mr. "You ain't no Muslim" want to really prove they are moderate, liberal, and enlightened, they need to throw off Islam; denounce that bastard prophet of theirs as the wicked and despicable piece of shit that he really was.
Hence the lie and him being a pathetic coward.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 474 of 508 (773786)
12-09-2015 5:19 AM
Reply to: Message 471 by vimesey
12-09-2015 2:29 AM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
Plenty. And why do you want to defend people's idolizing and following of a piece of shit like Muhammad?

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 475 of 508 (773787)
12-09-2015 5:24 AM
Reply to: Message 472 by Tangle
12-09-2015 3:26 AM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
So you have no real objection then other than to implicitly defend folks who worship rapist theocratic warlords and to refer to people who think it'd be better if they didn't as idiots.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 476 of 508 (773788)
12-09-2015 5:36 AM
Reply to: Message 473 by Phat
12-09-2015 3:58 AM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
Huh? Why would anyone make you give up Jesus?
I don't think we should make anyone give up their incestuous xenophobic prophet. But I also think we need to be honest with ourselves and others in pointing out just who it is that's being idolized by supposedly moderate and well-adjusted Muslims.
I mean, really, what the fuck is anyone anyone doing following this guy?

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 484 of 508 (773811)
12-09-2015 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 480 by ringo
12-09-2015 10:48 AM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
Like all your attempts at analogy, this one also fails.
Please try again.

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 489 of 508 (773825)
12-09-2015 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by caffeine
12-09-2015 4:18 PM


Re: States and People
Sorry, but you don't get to share in the benefits of your nation's achievements and not also share in the responsibility for its misdeeds and failures.

Love your enemies!

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