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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
ProtoTypical writes: Bombs are a repugnantly blunt instrument but not the same as shooting a female doctor who refuses to wear a niqab. Do you think this makes a difference to the dead doctor? Or does this reasoning just allow you to sleep at night? And what about the men who deliver the bombs? The suicide rates of the military are sky high. Is it because the cruelty the West does to the middle east is EQUAL to the cruelty they do to us? I can't see any difference between the actions of the Paris attackers and the continuing use of drone weapons . . .
quote: Widespread racism and criminal apathy allows the west to commit atrocities on the people of the middle east. It also prevents us from examining our own actions too closely. Until we evolve from barbarians, it is simply not possible for the West to help bring about peace. I had thought the attacks on america on 9/11 would have caused the West to morally ponder the actions the West had perpetrated on others. Through decades of constant support of dictators, terrorists, and destabilizing democratic nations the West should have realized that those actions only spread world-wide conflicts. But I was wrong. There has been no epiphany. No moral evolution. Just more shouts for more "repugnantly blunt" bombs.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
From what catastrophic support of dictators, terrorists, or destabilized democracies does the West hone their moral highness from?
Be specific.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
1.61803 writes: Yes and that because of past moral transgressions of a state or country or group they should not automatically be forfeit any consideration or credibility. Some states (most?, all?) don't allow convicted sociopathic axe murderers to vote or serve on jury duties. Do you think that is also a mistake? Should sociopaths be allowed to influence your society/culture? Should convicted child rapists be allowed to teach in school? Did you think through your above stance at all?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
drone writes: From what catastrophic support of dictators, terrorists, or destabilized democracies does the West hone their moral highness from? xongsmith writes: Perhaps yours, yourself. My catastrophic support of dictators, terrorists, or destabilized democracies? . . . My? Sorry Xong, from the context of my original argument, I am not understanding your reply. (maybe today was the wrong day for me to stop sniffing glue.) Edited by dronestar, : clarity, added quote
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
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1.61803 writes: I get the feeling you think the U.S. and it's allies are deserved of ISILS brutality and are reaping what they sowed. Innocent civilians never deserve to be murdered. _______________________________________________________
1.61803 writes: A nations past sins do not mean the country forfeits the possibility of redemption. NN writes: Quite frankly, I think being the only nation to ever use nuclear weapons does cost the US quite a bit of credibility when speaking out on nuclear disarmament. I agree NN. That would be called hypocrisy.
RingO writes: I don't ask Charles Manson for his opinions on murder. I agree RingO. There's a good reason why he wouldn't be allowed on a jury.
quote: Yeah, you read that correct, the West strongly believes that murdering a half MILLION Iraqi CHILDREN is a WORTHWHILE activity. Gee, I forgot, in contrast, how many Parisians were killed by terrorists last month? 1.61803, can you do the math on this? What is the murder ratio of innocent civilians of the West and ISIL? But in this case, we don't need to only consider the atrocities of the past. Not only is the West guilty of horrific atrocities of the PAST, they are also guilty of horrific atrocities of the PRESENT.
quote: So, just what kind of ethical credibility does a nation that murders doctors in hospitals, or children via repeating drone strikes have? Be specific.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
1.61803 writes: Madeline Albright said something stupid. And incredibly psychopathic. And jaw-droppingly incriminating. For which she was not fired or even disciplined by the Clinton Administration. Me'h, go figure.
1.61803 writes: The Iraq sanctions was a result of trying to get Saddam out of power. Yeah, targeting innocent civilians to bring about a political result is usually called "terrorism." But only when "they" do it to "us," right?
1.61803 writes: The US and the West does not think [the murder of 500,000 children] was [worth it]. Uhhh, yes, Madeline Albright, Secretary of the State during the Clinton Administration, after careful thought, said yes, the Iraqi sanctions was worth murdering 500,000 children.
1.61803 writes: I do not believe that can ever be reconciled but it is not the intentions of the West to kill innocent people. So after 10 Iraqi children died, the West could have stopped the sanctions that murdered children. But they didn't. So after 100 Iraqi children died, the West could have stopped the sanctions that murdered children. But they didn't. So after 1000 Iraqi children died, the West could have stopped the sanctions that murdered children. But they didn't. So after 10,000 Iraqi children died, the West could have stopped the sanctions that murdered children. But they didn't. So after 100,000 Iraqi children died, the West could have stopped the sanctions that murdered children. But they didn't. The following hypothetical news broadcast sounds like your defense:
quote: Drone writes: So, just what kind of ethical credibility does a nation that murders doctors in hospitals, 1.61803 writes: It was a mistake. Poor intelligence, a break down in communications who knows? but it was not on purpose. Research/interviews have clearly shown it was not poor intelligence, nor a break down in communications. The West DID willfully bomb the hospital . . .
quote: Hospital bombing in Afghanistan was premeditated . . .
quote: Now then, let's get back to the math, . . . what is the murder-ratio of children of the West to ISIL? I prefer to do the math before we add the West's other instances of intentional child murders. Goodness, the numbers will become so big we'll need NASA's super computers to calculate . . .
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
caffeine writes: Most who did vote for that government share no responsibility either, *blinks*
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
1.61803 writes: I simply do not agree 1.61803 writes: You are a convincing debater *blink* It would appear that I am only a convincing debater with those who do not prefer delusion over reality.
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