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vimesey
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Message 471 of 508 (773780)
12-09-2015 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 470 by Jon
12-08-2015 7:10 PM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
And how many Muslims have you actually sat down, spoken with, and listened to, in order to arrive at your understanding about their faith, their beliefs and their world view ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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vimesey
Member (Idle past 99 days)
Posts: 1398
From: Birmingham, England
Joined: 09-21-2011


Message 478 of 508 (773792)
12-09-2015 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 474 by Jon
12-09-2015 5:19 AM


Re: "You ain't no Muslim, bruv."
Let's have a look at the friendly neighbourhood Christian God - someone who ordered a bloke to be stoned to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath - someone who ordered his followers to commit genocide - someone who himself carried out the most comprehensive genocide you could ever imagine.
This is the same God who Christians nowadays (or at least the majority of them) worship as a kind, loving and forgiving God. In your view, should they also acknowledge that they are worshiping a sadistic, cruel and power-hungry overlord, and renounce their faith in order to be seen to be leading a decent life ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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vimesey
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Posts: 1398
From: Birmingham, England
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Message 486 of 508 (773820)
12-09-2015 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by ringo
12-09-2015 12:01 PM


Re: bump
If Germany says, "Oops. It won't happen again," they should be eyed with suspicion.
Actually, I'd lean the other way. Having wrestled with the aftermath of such a recently vile history, my experience of Germans is that in general they are incredibly aware of the dangers of seductively stirring, jingoistic, right wing rhetoric. They are proud to have a criminal offence of holocaust denial, for example.
Other nations don't have that cautionary experience - witness the poll numbers for Trump, which just get higher, the more racist, reactionary and downright fascist he gets. I reckon that in today's Germany, they'd have locked him up by now.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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