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herebedragons
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Message 125 of 2887 (769472)
09-21-2015 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Faith
09-21-2015 9:40 AM


Re: Reptiles to Mammals
Assembling them in a graded series is a mental exercise that probably doesn't reflect the reality at all.
The funny thing is that we can group organisms together in a nested hierarchy based on morphological characters. Then we can examine genetic characters and group the organisms in a nested hierarchy based on genetic differences and the two groupings largely agree.
Now, I know what you are thinking... "Organisms that are similar morphologically should be similar genetically." Sure, but these trees are often made from "junk DNA" such as simple sequence repeats, introns, intergenic spacers and internal transcribed spacers. Why would these "throw-away" pieces of DNA have changed over time in pretty much the same way the morphological characters have changed? Why do we get very, very similar nested groupings from morphological data as we do from "junk DNA" data? Common descent is simply the BEST explanation (not the only explanation, simply the one that makes the most sense).
Both because of how genetics works
But, you don't really understand how genetics work. You have your own made up version of it based on limited examples.
because the changes that occur with microevolution can occur very rapidly
Yes, changes can happen rapidly, but they don't have to. In fact, deniers of evolution lament that we don't witness evolution on a daily basis in the real world. If what you say is the rule rather then the exception, every time we go out to study evolution we should witness a "microevolutionary" event. We don't.
In any case millions is out of the question.
Interesting premise to start with.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
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Message 141 of 2887 (769524)
09-21-2015 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
09-21-2015 6:28 PM


Re: Reptiles to Mammals
But this can be deceptive. Common traits would of course have common DNA because the finished house follows the plan. Similar plans, similar houses.
As I alluded to in my previous post, we don't use the gene for hair color to build a phylogeny of hair color evolution and then say they match. We use genes that have little to do with the morphological characteristics we are studying. Like ITS (internal transcribed spacers), RNA polymerase II subunit RPB1, SSR markers (simple sequence repeats), Cytochome C (a part of the electron transport chain), Elongation factor-alpha, etc... Why do these markers, that have little to do with hair color, or bone structure, or brain cavity size, group into nested hierarchies that match so well with the nested hierarchies based on morphological data?
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 142 of 2887 (769525)
09-21-2015 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Dr Adequate
09-21-2015 8:37 PM


Re: Reptiles to Mammals
Taxonomists put the marsupial mole together with the marsupials. But what do you do?
That would be the mole kind.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 154 of 2887 (769650)
09-23-2015 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Faith
09-23-2015 4:03 PM


Re: Reptiles to Mammals
I'm objecting to the idea that the bones could evolve in that fashion, because genetics doesn't do that sort of thing.
That's because you don't really understand how genetics works.
In the '70s they came out with the first generation computer controlled machines. These machines read information from a tape that had holes punched in it that served as the data that the computer stored and used to control the servo drives. The tape fed through the reader from beginning to end and the computer processed the data from beginning to end. Misplace a hole punch and the results could be a disaster.
It seems as if this is like your view of how genetics works. A misplaced character would cause a major problem, and indeed that did happen with the old tape readers. In order to make major changes to the program - and thus the product that it produces - whole sections of the genome would need to be cut out and and a new "program" would need to be spliced in. In fact, this is exactly how a tape would be reprogrammed - cut and spliced with new information.
But this is hardly the case. Genetics are more like networks; all parts are intimately connected and highly reliant on each other. The analogy of DNA as book or a computer program is unfortunate. It may be a semi-adequate analogy for DNA itself, but not for how an organism is built from that "program."
Regulatory networks are where it's at for developmental biology, and that is exactly what is being discussed here - developmental changes. It is these regulatory networks that play the major role in generation of new body forms. These regulatory networks don't function like the old tape readers of the '70s. Not only does a major change NOT require cutting and splicing, but even minor changes can cascade into the entire network and result in significant changes in the finished product.
In the case of "bones evolving in that fashion," what would happen if there was a shift in ossification points (the points at which the bone begins ossifying) so that they were slightly further apart, or in a different location? What if an ossification point was added or the regulation of the existing points was changed so they expanded for a greater or lesser amount of time? What if an ossification point was deleted or down regulated?
While major structural changes may be impossible for "tape-reader genetics," they are not so for the intricate, mega-networks of real genetics.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 156 of 2887 (769654)
09-23-2015 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Faith
09-23-2015 4:46 PM


Re: Reptiles to Mammals (dogs, cats and cows)
they are just new varieties or breeds that are genetically depleted.
How would you identify "genetic depletion" in a specimen you have been given to characterize? What does "genetic depletion" look like from a molecular point of view? What kind of test would you propose to see if an organism is "genetically depleted?"
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Message 349 of 2887 (774243)
12-15-2015 7:53 AM
Reply to: Message 343 by Coragyps
12-14-2015 4:17 PM


In a secret globalist storage locker in Hamtramck, Michigan?
Is that supposed to be a Polack joke?
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 350 of 2887 (774247)
12-15-2015 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 342 by Big_Al35
12-14-2015 3:41 PM


The single parietal bone would be the key piece of evidence supporting this new species theory
Have you seen pictures of this supposed one piece parietal bone with accurate drawings and measurements? I haven't. Are you just taking their word for it that the parietal bone is one piece?
I also don't see how a one piece parietal bone is evidence of extraterrestrial origin. That is nonsense. A single parietal bone could be brought about by simple mutation. It would be unexpected and rather shocking, yes... but not evidence of extraterrestrials.
along with the DNA
What exactly did they find in the DNA and how is it different than modern human DNA? What is actually different and how is it not possible that it is just human DNA with some different mutations? How many bases are different? What regions did they sequence? What method did they use to isolate the mtDNA? There is just so much uncertainty about these claims that I don't know what else to make of it but that they are fabricated (or at the least, exaggerated).
I read they sequenced mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) but then they concluded these creatures would not be able to interbreed with humans. You realize that is a huge stretch in reasoning, right? Mitochondria are self contained units and novel mutations within them would not necessarily affect the ability to interbreed. It may be true that the mtDNA sequences they found would not fit into the current human gene tree, but I would say more evidence needs to be presented before those kind of conclusions can be made.
So where is the data? What do these novel mutations look like. What region of the mt genome are they in? Are these results being put forward? No.
So based on this pattern I kinda figure that giant skeletons really do exist.
This is the methodology you use to determine if these stories represent true facts or are just exaggerated hype?
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Message 351 of 2887 (774248)
12-15-2015 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 345 by caffeine
12-14-2015 4:37 PM


His unusually-shaped head is simply the result of wrapping it tightly in cloth as a baby so it was constrained to grow in this shape.
It sure looks like his skull has increased cranial capacity. I am curious how that actually happens (increase in capacity rather than just changing shape) and what the extra space might be filled with??? I don't think I have seen where the cranial capacity of the Paracas skulls is actually reported and what the increase over average human capacity is. But it appears that head wrapping does increase cranial capacity... at least from observing a picture on the internet.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Message 353 of 2887 (774286)
12-15-2015 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 352 by dwise1
12-15-2015 10:30 AM


And so this highlights the reason we need to have the actual data as to what the actual cranial volume of the skulls are. I looked at it again, and it still looks like there is more volume in the deformed skull. But that appears to be all anyone has offered is a subjective assessment of the cranial volume. Is there actual numbers? Because it should be easy to determine for the "scientists" who want to make these spectacular claims.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 364 of 2887 (775187)
12-29-2015 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 362 by RAZD
12-29-2015 11:24 AM


Re: so bad too sad
I looked up that page as well and noticed this:
quote:
The ropes were so impressive that they warranted mention by Diego de Trujillo [1571] as he inspected a room filled with building materials.
and
quote:
Cieza de Len, who visited Saksaywaman two times in the late 1540s, mentions the quarrying of the stones, their transposition to the site, and the digging of foundation trenches.
So, two eye witnesses who failed to mention giants although they made notes about several other impressive features.
Weird huh?
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 385 of 2887 (775665)
01-03-2016 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 378 by Big_Al35
01-03-2016 5:53 AM


There are plenty of sites which mention giant utensils.
HBD
*** Who would of thought there would be a meme about giant utensils???

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
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Message 559 of 2887 (824811)
12-03-2017 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 552 by Dredge
12-03-2017 5:28 PM


Re: why bother?
Well may you speak of "value". The theory that all life on earth evolved from a microbe has contributed nothing to the advancement of science and therefore has no scientific value at all.
Wrong!
Do you work in a biological science? I do, as do several others here. I am sure we would all agree that common ancestry has added incredible value to biological science. It provides much of the basis for everything we do. Maybe we don't think on the scale of microbes to man evolution in our everyday work, the principles involved are solid and the Theory of Evolution is absolutely foundational and the unifying theory in biology.
For example, how can it be demonstrated that a piece of a reptile's jaw bone evolved into the bones of the inner ear of a mammal?
That's dumb. Of course we can't absolutely demonstrate that it DID happen. Of course we can't do an experiment in the lab to show beyond a doubt that it did happen. But we have consistent evidence that supports the hypothesis.
Show us the consistent evidence of your hypothesis...
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 993 of 2887 (829105)
03-03-2018 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 991 by Faith
03-02-2018 11:29 PM


Re: Just a few pictures
Hi Faith, (and everyone else as well). Its been a long while; I have had a lot of personal things going on and very little free time. I still don't really have the time to spend on here, but I thought I would throw a couple things out there for your consideration... even though I can pretty much guess how this will go. But anyway...
The Flood deposited layers to a depth of about three miles.
So the flood stripped away all the land down to basal surfaces and then began depositing sedimentary sequences onto that surface, correct? The deposits were laid down as the flood waters rose, right? So before deposition could begin, the surface had to be stripped bare. In your scenario, I figure the basal surface in the Grand Canyon (Vishnu Schist and other Precambrian rocks) must have been about at current sea level, since the south rim is only about 7,000 feet with a mile of sediment underneath it and the region has undergone significant uplift since the deposits were laid down.
So the question is... where did all those sediments go when they were stripped off the land and before they began deposition? Into the ocean basins? If so, they then came up out of the ocean basins to deposit a mile or three above sea level???? That makes no sense.
I wish I had the time to draw a sketch of this because I am sure you don't see the problem. Maybe you could sketch out the situation for yourself and see how it would work. It makes zero sense to me.
Which ludicrous theory even ludicrously says you can get the knife-edge straight flat and tight contact I showed in the picture of the contact between the Coconino and the Hermit.
Two points here. 1. what you usually call "flat" is hardly flat, even in the way you are trying to make it out to be. For example, the contacts between the Tapeats, the Bright Angle Shale and the Mauv Limestone. As you know, this is a textbook case of a marine transgression. Based on your preferred cross section, the contact looks flat and tight. Well of course it does, it is a drawing intended to illustrate the general situation over a great distance. But in reality the contact looks like the illustration below.
Note the inter-fingering of the layers which is caused by changing sea levels and shifting environments, which is the traditional geology explanation. How could a flood create a pattern like this?
2. You say that it would be ludicrous, even impossible for long spans of time to produce the knife-edge contacts like that between the Coconino and the Hermit. Well I wonder how it is possible for a flood to produce such contacts, especially since it also supposedly produces the inter-fingering between the Bright Angle Shale and the Mauv Limestone; and the filled channels of the Temple Butte Limestone; and the aeolian deposits of the Coconino; and so on...
Standard geology explains these features by shifting conditions; different conditions produce different features. Flood geology explains all these features with a single condition (or maybe two conditions - rising waters and receding waters). As such, flood geology provides no explanation at all.
What got deposited when has something to do with what was being carried in the water at the time.
This is really just handwaving regarding the issue I mentioned above - there is no explanation of how the different features formed during the flood with a very limited set of conditions. Saying "What got deposited when has something to do with what was being carried in the water at the time." is completely meaningless. What specific conditions produced the features observed?
I came across this a while ago but never had a chance to present it here. In Africa, termites build huge nests and make these combs that they use to grow fungi which they then use for food. Researchers have discovered fossilized nests underground, stacked one on top of another. These nests have been dated to the Miocene and Lower Pliocene (5-10 mya).
Here is a couple references:
The first fossil fungus gardens of Isoptera
New termite trace fossils
The second paper requires purchase, but you can read the abstract at the above link and the images can be found through a Google search
Google search: termite trace fossils images
One image from the second paper:
So what conditions during the flood allowed these nests to be deposited like this? Why do modern species that live in Africa make nests more similar to the fossilized remains found in Africa than to those in North America? In other words, how did species, after the flood, find their way to the places where their ancestral fossils were serendipitously deposited?
This image comes from the first paper and it shows the structure within which the fossilized termite nests they studied were found.
Note the paleosols (ancient, fossilized soil) with in situ roots. Layers upon layers of these structures. How could a flood have deposited paleosols with in situ root systems?
None of this precludes there being a world-wide flood, but it does make it completely untenable that the flood created all the sedimentary features of the geological record. It just makes zero sense.
And with that... I must get back to more important tasks
HBD
ABE: Oh, I forgot to mention... in keeping with the theme of the thread... "we have the fossils, we win!"
Edited by herebedragons, : No reason given.

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Message 1265 of 2887 (829583)
03-09-2018 11:32 PM


Grand Canyon Panorama Project
I thought people might appreciate this link. It is a series of panoramic images thorough the Grand Canyon. Really, really spectacular!!!! You can explore most of the major parts of the canyon and even some minor areas. Hint: I found that if you click on the zoom button 3 or 4 times before panning around, it is much easier to see and navigate.
There is a geology section where there is some brief discussion of the different formations. You click on the geology tab and then you can choose your favorite formation. The images in that section are really cool, the lines that define the formations fade in and out so you can look at the image with and with out the visual aids. When you click on the image, you are taken to the panoramic view of that location.
Its not real heavy on the fine points of the geology (it won't help determine the nature of the contact between the Hermit shale and the Coconino) but it should give a good perspective about how much rock is down there and how much material needed to be removed to form the canyon. If you look down at the ground, you can see the rock being turned to "dust." You should also be able to see that the process takes a lot of time. You don't turn that amount of material to dust in a few thousand years... there's just no way.
Anyway, check it out. It really is the next best thing to being there.
Grand Canyon Panoramic Project
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 1267 of 2887 (829585)
03-09-2018 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1264 by Faith
03-09-2018 10:11 PM


Re: A knife-edge thick contact is NOT an inch thick
I am wondering if you have had a recent miraculous healing... anytime I present an image or a figure to you, you are completely unable to read it due to your eyes (age-related macular degeneration, I believe it was). Now here you are able to pick out the finest details in an image and call out Percy for foul play because he sees it differently.
Priceless.

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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