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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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From a Drudge item:
World's oldest woman, 116, eats bacon daily World's oldest woman, 116, eats bacon daily Not many people will say that eating bacon every day is the key to a long life, but the world’s oldest woman swears by it. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
The oldest living male is Yasutaro Koide.
Guinness World Records introduces Yasutaro Koide - the new oldest living man | Guinness World Records
"The best thing is to not overdo," Yasutaro told Associated Press. He also recommended not smoking or drinking and said his favourite food is bread. It sounds a bit boring to me. I'd rather enjoy my relatively short life (85 years hopefully) than suffer for 112 years...
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Oh and I love beacon. I eat it often. With the crispy fat, too!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8554 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I'd rather enjoy my relatively short life (85 years hopefully) than suffer for 112 years... That makes sense to someone whose 85th birthday is not coming next month.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Yeah, but I knew a few people who had parties on their 85th birthdays. They had beer and wine and pork fat and cake....some even tried to blow out the candles on their cakes while we were singing that happy birthday song.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Sounds like Yasutaro Koide lives a non-boring life, though. Peaceful yet not boring.
quote:That sums it up. Avoid stress. There is no universal diet that is right for everyone. For some, vegetables are better than protein and fats....for others such as myself, carbs need to be avoided and good fats be the main fuel. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And one of the major stressors in modern life is worrying about every molecule that you put in your mouth.
That sums it up. Avoid stress.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8554 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Via Pharyngula:
Chemical-free products studied.
quote: A comprehensive overview of chemical-free consumer products
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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It was already strongly suspected that different people respond differently to the same diet, but now scientific evidence is beginning to emerge. The Huffington Post reports There Really Is No 'One Size Fits All' Diet Plan, According To Study. Some excerpts:
quote: So there is no dietary advice that applies to everyone. One would think that some of the advice would apply to everyone, such as reduced intake of sugar, but probably even that should be questioned. Even if it were a tiny percentage that thrives on sugar, it still means the general advice to avoid sugar would be wrong. We also need scientific research supporting the advice given by doctors and nutritionists. Today the advice to eat more vegetables and less meat is widely accepted as true and accurate, but even this very undetailed advice is unlikely to be true for everyone, and it just becomes more and more generally wrong as the advice becomes more specific. As the article tells us, a doctor who says, "Sure, tomatoes are fine" or "Sure, sushi is fine" is going to be dead wrong for at least some of his patients. Unfortunately none of us are going to be at the center of scientific studies establishing our precise best diet. The reality is that we're all at the center of our own lifetime study of what's good for our health and what's not. Blood tests are a big help here. Try changing your diet significantly and see what happens to your blood tryglycerides, hemoglobin A1c, etc. For most people reducing carbohydrate intake, especially refined carbohydrates, will improve these measures considerably, but probably not for everyone. I'd gotten lazy about keeping my carbohydrate intake down over the past year, and my last blood test showed increased triglyceride levels and a worsened cholesterol/HDL ratio. Reducing carbohydrate intake is becoming standard advice these days and I'm back on track now, but this research tells us that everyone shouldn't just assume reducing their carbohydrate intake will work for them. Everyone has to figure out what works for them. Link to study: Personalized Nutrition by Prediction of Glycemic Responses --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
David S. Ludwig, the director of the Obesity Prevention Center at Boston Children's hospital, writes in today's New York Times:
quote: From Could Your Healthy Diet Make Me Fat? --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Hey, it's 2016 and the 2015 Dietary Guidelines for Americans are already available.
I'll pour through the whole thing later, but just looking at the Executive Summary, three nutrients are mentioned specifically, and it gets the recommendations for two out of three wrong . Under point 3 it recommends reducing intake of sugars, saturated fats and sodium, but evidence has been mounting for some time now that saturated fat is not harmful but is actually good for you, and more recent evidence shows that the body fights very hard to maintain what it believes are correct sodium levels and that reducing intake below a certain point can actually be harmful. The advice to reduce sugars is correct, but somewhat alarmingly the Executive Summary doesn't mention carbohydrates. The webpage includes a search box, but it only returns six results for carbohydrates. It might be referring to sections since some of the search results include the term carbohydrates multiple times. Again, I'll read through the whole thing later and develop a better feel for its recommendations about carbohydrates. Trans fats get only a brief single mention on this page (under point 1), even though the evidence that they are harmful is very strong. Guess we'll have to wait for the 2020 recommendations to straighten things out. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
, and more recent evidence shows that the body fights very hard to maintain what it believes are correct sodium levels and that reducing intake below a certain point can actually be harmful. Can you point to some recent research that suggests that sodium intake levels below the 2300 mg level that are recommended is harmful? I don't doubt that there are problems with too low an intake. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
NoNukes writes: Can you point to some recent research that suggests that sodium intake levels below the 2300 mg level that are recommended is harmful? I don't doubt that there are problems with too low an intake. I should have been more clear. I was only commenting on the figure the link I provided takes you to, Figure ES-1 of the Executive Summary, which doesn't mention amounts. Sorry. If you weren't looking at that figure my comments probably didn't make much sense when they referred to specific points. I think the new guidelines will share the same systemic problem as the old one, that the bulk of the population will only hear or retain the top-level message, in this case to reduce saturated fats, sugars and salt. I think a better top-level message would have been to reduce carbohydrates, avoid processed foods, minimize sugars, and eliminate trans fats. --Percy
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
The advice to reduce sugars is correct, but somewhat alarmingly the Executive Summary doesn't mention carbohydrates. The webpage includes a search box, but it only returns six results for carbohydrates. It might be referring to sections since some of the search results include the term carbohydrates multiple times. Again, I'll read through the whole thing later and develop a better feel for its recommendations about carbohydrates. Perhaps they aren't delineating complex carbohydrates which have tremendous health qualities. But if they aren't distinguishing between simple and complex, they really ought to, especially since they recommend that sugar intake be reduced and since simple carbohydrates essentially convert in to glucose. These recommendations change all the time. First they said cut fat from your diet, now they say "no, only cut certain fats from your diet but load up on others." "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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