More on Diet and Carbohydrates

That's true. But since nobody, including Percy, seems to be saying that eating salads made people fat, then that particular example does not seem germane. Tell us instead about the low fat, high carb items Mickey D's added to their menu at the request of customers.The menu at McDonalds, generally speaking, is high fat, and high carbs. It is no surprise that eating that food makes people fat. However the menu does not follow anyone's health recommendations.

I don't think these things became available at relevant date. However, isn't skim milk essentially 0% milk? Demonstrate this rather than assert this, and perhaps you have an argument. I suspect that the typical diet for most people is well above the recommended caloric intake. I would give everyone whose diet met this criteria a failing score in following advice.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Again, adding salads does not make a difference with respect to guidelines regarding low fats and high carbohydrates. Perhaps you'll note that I asked for such examples. It's a nick name for McDonald's.Just to be clear, there seems to me to be a timing problem with associating the menu changes at McDonald's with people getting fat while following gubmint advice. People were already blaming McDonald's for being unhealthy and kids were already fat at that time.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Right. I was given an example of McDonald's changing their menu based on an irrelevant public demand for lettuce, and I asked for a relevant example instead. Seriously, regardless of whether you want low fat or low carbs, substituting carrot sticks for an apple pie and a salad for a big Mac are great ideas.The issue as I understand it, is you believe people followed the government's advice on high/low fat vs carbs and became sick/obese as a result. You assert without evidence that people actually followed that advice and then Coyote brings up salads at McDonald's. Well that example is irrelevant. And now in your latest post you admit that McDonald's action lagged way behind the real trend anyway.I don't see any evidence that people with proper caloric intakes got fat or sick by following government advice on low fat diets. What's worse, you don't seem to think it is important to show that people actually followed the advice anyway.

The problem with the anecdote is that every diet I've ever heard of has the same poor success rates at achieving significant long term results. Telling us a story about a single person who failed, particularly a story where the details are lacking, is not going to be very convincing.

This is an unfortunate truism. If you are having any difficulty at all with weight control, your taste buds clearly cannot be trusted.

Can you point to some recent research that suggests that sodium intake levels below the 2300 mg level that are recommended is harmful? I don't doubt that there are problems with too low an intake.