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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Big writes: So the images of giant bones I see on the internet (which look convincing) are all fake? AZPaul3 writes: They're not fake. Actually there are a bunch of faked images of giant human bones on the internet. If Big_Al35 wants an answer about some specific images, he's going to have to give us a pointer. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
If you want to discuss evidence of giant humans, in this thread the evidence has to be fossils. I disagree. If Big Al wants to argue that non-fossil evidence contradicts and is superior to the fossil evidence, that would seem to be a viable approach -- at least hypothetically. Al is considerably short on the execution, but at least what he is doing is better than making up stories about mind controlling illuminati are hiding the evidence. Let's let him lose the argument on his own terms. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
There are plenty of sites which mention giant utensils. A proper study on the subject would at least discuss their authenticity but your omission is interesting. And if you claim to have an interest in paleontology or history or science then I am sure you would be aware of them. Seriously, This thing with giants seems to be your hobby. This stuff has been exposed as fraudulent a long time ago. If you think there is some evidence that it is not, then you are going to have to present it.
) Never offer evidence - let them offer evidence Yet another excuse for not handling your part of the conversation. There is no evidence. There is just BS on a web page. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Already addressed by JonF
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Humans, Chimps, Chihuahuas, and Great Danes all have a head, two forelimbs, two hind limbs, but only humans walk on two legs. Chimps can walk on two legs, and frequently resort to that when they want to carry something. It is not a circus trick. So do Bonobos. What's your point here? We know that different species are not identical. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Dogs can walk on two legs too. I've seen it. But humans are the only ones that habitually walk on two legs. 1) Chimps routinely do it when they need to do so. So do Bonobos. Those are among the existing animals that are genetically closest to humans.2) You actually said that those other animals do not walk on hind legs. Surely you realize that your admission just puts further holes in what was already a poor argument. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
If you have won the argument that all life on earth evolved from microbes, then you have won nothing - it is completely useless information. That may be the case. The number of people for whom this information is relevant is surely quite small, and it is probably also the case that the practical applications for which the difference between not evolving for microbes and evolving from microbes matters for mammals, actually makes a difference may well be zero. However, what does that matter? Isn't it the common ancestry of mankind with even the closest available living ape really the idea that you have a hard time with? And there is no question that such information is useful. For that matter the fact of our common ancestry with pigs and mice is significant. And any one of those is a more significant refutation of special creation that is common descent with microbes. You are basically picking a fight of little consequence. You are welcome to whatever solace that small victory gives you. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Faith writes: but this steady diet of debunker while refusing even to see how clever my scenario is If my signature file was not already full... Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I've never denied there is an irrational meaningless "order" meaning a predictable sequence of fossil appearances in the geologic column As a matter of fact, you deny such a thing often. Your claims that the perceived order is an "illusion" are denials and none of your attempts to say otherwise will fool anyone.
So to get back to the title of this thread, WHAT fossils does Dr. A think they have anyway? Sigh. The current discussion is perfectly well on target. The order is an important part of the evidence. Quite naturally you would want to dodge that reality. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I've not denied the simple physical sequence, what I call an illusion is the interpretation of the fossil order in terms of the old earth and evolution. The interpretation is the illusion, the simple predictable sequence is not That is a complete misrepresentation of things you have said about the fossil record. Here is one of those things. It is quite easy to find more of the same and I'd be happy to do so if necesssary.
Faith writes: The Flood just buried stuff according to some kind of mechanical principles, original location and whatnot. The dating isotopes are some kind of illusion as is the fossil order. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Yes, the fossil order as defined by the OE/ToE point of view, not the simple physical sequence of fossils. Your comments also apply to the evidence as found. For example, you said that said that the radiometric isotopes (not their interpretation, but there actual presence and measurements) were illusions. You said that knowing that you are unable to refute radiometric dating. You forget that you made all of those claims following your acknowledgment that the actual facts could not be explained by creation science. What you said was that those facts should be considered illusion pending some ability by creation scientists to explain them. If this thread ever reopens, expect me to cite those exact posts of yours. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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First there is the assertion that it is an illusion. My take is slightly different. What Faith is implying is that the actual order is exactly what the flood predicts and that anything that appears to be evidence to the contrary is fake news. A true defense of a positive statement of her own position would require a couple of things. 1. Knowing what the actual order is2. Having an explanation that fits the known order. Faith can contribute zero to either of those requirements. So she does not attempt a true defense. Instead, she just denies the evidence that shows that the order is not consistent with the flood is real, by declaring that order to be an illusion. The best way to debate is to examine the positions of creationists who actually are willing to put their position in writing and who take an actual stance on the evidence, and to examine whether their arguments carry weight. Folks who just flat out deny but who put no 'skin in the game' should be ignored beyond the point of exposing them for what they are. The latter list of 'folks' would include Faith. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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You have ? Why haven’t you posted about it ? Yes, and why is Faith, the only person in the world who can provide evidence of what happened in the past? Why is such a thing possible for Faith and impossible for science despite the fact that we are talking about the scientific definition of evidence? Well, we know why Faith has indeed posted silly conclusive statements that she bases on some simplistic look at some facts, and of course, her conclusions have not gone without challenge. Faith claims victory despite having proven nothing, and then later claims to have posted evidence in the past. Rinse, lather, repeat; as often as needed on any topic. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I do keep invoking some unknown principle of sorting by the Flood because I don't think we can know what it is... Nuff said. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Over the years I have made some really good arguments that NEVER get any recognition whatever. You are getting your due recognition for your arguments. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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