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frako
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Message 106 of 357 (776697)
01-18-2016 2:10 PM


Um Guys why so fixed on solar power, wind power is also good, and germany does have a tone of those wind turbines. But my best gues for the future of power would be torium reacors given the abundence of torium on the planet it should be cheap as hell. It should be also much safer then the curent uranium reactors.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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Pressie
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Message 107 of 357 (776720)
01-19-2016 6:53 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by LamarkNewAge
01-14-2016 11:01 PM


Re: Understand something about Germany.
LamarkNewAge writes:
And Germany gets literally 500% more solar power on a clear day (though they are rare)than the average day.
Yip. That's why solar power is a good weather friend. On bad days they still rely on nuclear from France and coal from Poland to keep up with their electricity demand.

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Pressie
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Message 108 of 357 (776721)
01-19-2016 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by frako
01-18-2016 2:10 PM


Fraco writes:
But my best gues for the future of power would be torium reacors
You are so right. I'm working on extracting Thorium from the Wits at the moment. It's the way to go. It's abundant and safe. The Engineers are trying to work on how to extract and save that energy for when needed. Baseline energy is what is needed.
In the meantime combinations of coal and nuclear and solar and wind will do the job for the next 30 to 40 years but after that its bound to be different as technology changes.
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Pressie
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Message 109 of 357 (776724)
01-19-2016 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by LamarkNewAge
01-02-2016 2:54 PM


South Africa, with all it's different regions and climatic zones from Mediteranian to sub-tropical, suffered it's driest year on record.
From my personal experience, Pretoria was the hottest it's ever been. On the stoep in front of my house my thermometer measured 43 degrees C with around 80% humidity for weeks. The hottest ever on my stoep.
The last time we recorded any rain in my garden was on the 24th of December 2014.
And, it's been confirmed that 42.5 degrees C three weeks ago has officially been the hottest ever recorded since records began in the city centre and surroundings. It dates back more than more than a hundred years.
Our first rain this year started on the 7th of January 2016. We've been going along without any rain for a year and recorded record temperatures.
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frako
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Message 110 of 357 (776781)
01-20-2016 5:53 AM


Denmark just broke a record this year they got 42% of their power from wind.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Jon
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Message 111 of 357 (776782)
01-20-2016 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by frako
01-20-2016 5:53 AM


Denmark just broke a record this year they got 42% of their power from wind.
And how much electricity is that?

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Jon
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Message 112 of 357 (776783)
01-20-2016 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Pressie
01-19-2016 7:56 AM


And have you been experiencing any civil wars lately?

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Jon
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Message 113 of 357 (776784)
01-20-2016 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by RAZD
01-18-2016 8:17 AM


Re: Reality sucks for those that don't accept it.
And that didn't help Syria, ...
Well no, because other people's energy consumption doesn't really do Syria any good.
Then get a solar array and invest in the future of energy.
Much like I know the future of clothing isn't me making my own pants, I am very sure the future of electricity isn't me generating my own.

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Jon
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Message 114 of 357 (776785)
01-20-2016 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by LamarkNewAge
01-14-2016 11:13 PM


Re: Here is an example of price drops.
coal and gas seem to be the same utility-scale price as solar.
It is nonsense to claim solar and fossil fuels to be on the 'same utility-scale'.
Fossil fuels generate power nonstop, every second, every hour, every day of the year; whenever, wherever, as much as can be desired. Renewable energy shows up when it feels like it as much as it wants - maybe.
Fossil fuels currently account for almost 70% of U.S. energy generation; solar less than 1%.
To say they operate on the same 'scale' is delusional.
And your praise for Texas is humorous:
See the big ass red blob at the bottom of that map? That's Texas - coal capital U.S.A.
You'd think with the price of solar 'so low' sunny-ville Texas would switch over already. I wonder what's holding them back...
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Jon
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Message 115 of 357 (776786)
01-20-2016 7:35 AM


Why This Thread is Funny
I've had a lot of good laughs reading through this thread so far. Here 're some of the things I find funny...
First, LamarkNewAge made the claim that: "It would only take a few square miles of solar panels (on top of roofs) to fuel the energy needs of the entre state [of Maryland]" (Message 32).
That's a big claim, so it wasn't surprising when somewhere in the discussion, 'energy' switched to 'electricity'. But where the laughs really started coming was when the evidence presented to support this amounted to demonstrating that a city in Maryland representing less than 2% of the state's total population was able to offset (not directly fuel) about 25% of its electricity use with solar generation (Message 87). Oh, and it was maybe just a coincidence that they managed this as the second richest county in the country (or probably not).
Funny shit. But then Dr Adequate chimed in singing the praises of Germany (Message 95) - which is the top installer of solar panels in the world - only to be shown that in spite of all this, Germany meets less than a tenth of its electricity demand with solar power, or about enough to make up for what the U.S. loses in transmission (Message 97).
Finally we heard that if anything is proof that we can all do solar, it's the fact that Texas can do solar (Message 100)- Texas, the sunny southern state that generates more power burning coal than any other state in the Union (Message 114).
Since the initial claims about solar's amazing capabilities were first laid down, they have been revised and lessened to the point where all anyone's able to say is that 'solar power can provide some energy some of the time and a certain cost'.
So yes, this thread has been roller coaster of retracted exaggerations and dreamy idealism when it comes to renewable energy - enough to make anyone laugh (and be thankful they don't have to wait for the sun to come up to cook breakfast).
Edited by Jon, : Links, typos, and other bad things...

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Pressie
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Message 116 of 357 (776789)
01-20-2016 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Jon
01-20-2016 6:43 AM


Jon writes:
And have you been experiencing any civil wars lately?
Not yet, but we have experienced people dying from heat exhaustion in lines while waiting for their quota of water they could get from army water trucks for free. 50 liters a day per family. Huge lines of people with no money. Waiting for days in line. And dying in line.
On different army trucks people could pay around pay around R8 per 20 litres. Which is a pittance for some people, but those guys waiting in the poor line line could't afford that pittance. They died because they couldn't afford water.
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frako
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Message 117 of 357 (776809)
01-20-2016 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Jon
01-20-2016 6:40 AM


About 5000 MW but the plan is to be covered 100% by 2050, does the us have any plan to become energy independent by 2050
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Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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RAZD
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Message 118 of 357 (776815)
01-20-2016 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by RAZD
01-09-2016 10:18 AM


It's Official: 2015 was Earth's hottest year on record
2015 is warmest year on record, NOAA and NASA say
quote:
Last year was the Earth’s warmest since record-keeping began in 1880, the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA said Wednesday.
It’s been clear for quite some time that 2015 would steal the distinction of the hottest year from 2014, with 10 out of the 12 months last year being the warmest respective months on record and those records go back 136 years.
While it wasn’t necessarily a surprise that 2015 finished in first place, its margin of victory was startling it lapped the field, with the average temperature across the entire planet 1.62˚F (0.90˚C) above the 20th-century average, more than 20% higher than the previous highest departure from average.
This was aided by a December that looked and felt more like a March or April for much of the Northern Hemisphere, where traditional winter holidays had weather that was neither traditional nor winter-like.
In fact, December became the first month to ever reach 2 degrees Fahrenheit above normal for the globe. In the United States, December was both the warmest and the wettest on record no other month has ever held both distinctions for the country.
... The biggest culprit was a major El Nio, which has joined 1997-1998 as the strongest El Nio ever observed. ...
El Nio years tend to be warmer than non-El Nio years (neutral or La Nia years). El Nio was a major driver of the heat this year, but certainly not the only factor. The change also was largely driven by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere, a NASA press release said. This is evident in that recent neutral or even La Nia years have been hotter than previous strong El Nios.
... many climate scientists and weather forecasters are already saying 2016 could push the chart-topping temperature climb even higher, with El Nio lingering into spring and the continued influence from man-made climate change.
The odds would certainly favor that, as 15 of the top 16 warmest years have occurred since 2000 (1998 being the lone pre-21st century year on the list). The last time we had a year become the coldest on record was 1911.
That last bit should be the nail on the denial coffin, but we can expect Inhofe to bring in a snowball from this weekend's storm ...
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Message 119 of 357 (776884)
01-21-2016 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by RAZD
01-20-2016 3:44 PM


Re: It's Official: 2015 was Earth's hottest year on record
We have listened to the deniers.
They kept telling us (well all sorts of diverse things, but some of what they said was) "the earth isn't warming" then Mueller (once a skeptic) did a big Koch-funded study and found out that the temperatures really were increasing (not due to urban heat islands and flawed measurements).
Then they said "warming stopped in the latter half of the 1990s".
We have seen that isn't the case. (re the evidence this week -2015 data - and the evidence almost a year ago today which showed final refined 2014 numbers)
These tend to be the same people that tell us that Solar is unreliable while petroleum is a reliable, stable source of energy.
(Actually home energy prices won't much drop - despite oil falling from $145 per-barrel a year ago to $27 today - BECAUSE our plants don't use middle eastern oil DUE TO UNRELIABLE PRICING!)

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Message 120 of 357 (776907)
01-22-2016 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by LamarkNewAge
01-21-2016 10:37 PM


Re: It's Official: 2015 was Earth's hottest year on record
(Actually home energy prices won't much drop - despite oil falling from $145 per-barrel a year ago to $27 today - BECAUSE our plants don't use middle eastern oil DUE TO UNRELIABLE PRICING!)
And because there is little pressure to reduce rates. Solar and wind are available but require higher initial investment than continuing to pay utilities, and most people take the 'lazy' do nothing path.
I am now another month with $0 electric bill, and my meter is holding steady at net usage since installation well below zero. But these are supposed to be the tough months with low winter sun and short days. I lost 2 days to snow on the panels, and we are expecting a big storm this weekend (with storm surge on top of lunar high tide, could be a lot of flooding and wind damage). One advantage of having the array at ground level is that you can clean the panels easily: I have some smaller panels going to batteries that I clean and set to optimum angles.
But my installation is scale-able: certainly my neighbors can put up a similar installation. If every new house were required to be net zero utility cost it would substantially reduce grid peak usage, and it would be a small fraction of the cost of a new house. Similar was done with low volume toilets to save on water utility usage.
Enjoy

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