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Author Topic:   New Survey -- what is your Worldview type?
Dr Adequate
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Message 16 of 50 (777691)
02-06-2016 12:06 AM


So if I answer a number of questions about how I think, the website will tell me how I think, based on my answers?
I suppose some people might find this useful, but what I really wanted was a website that asks me how tall I am and then tells me my height.

  
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Message 17 of 50 (777692)
02-06-2016 1:29 AM
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02-05-2016 3:44 PM


Yes, a lot of it seemed very "new age touchy-feely" stuff. I wonder how many scientists were involved in the original studies to determine the categories of worldview.
Reading the descriptions I did not see one that really fit me. As such it seems like a sad indictment of the state of science in the us.
Seems to tell more about the creators of the test than the test takers.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 18 of 50 (777695)
02-06-2016 2:12 AM
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02-05-2016 12:59 PM


I too was mildly amused by my results....
quote:
Worldview Affinity Score:
Worldview you identify with most: Integrative (7)
Worldview you identify with least: Modern (-6)
Integrative worldviews
Integrative worldviews appear to be primarily characterized by a self-reflexive attempt to bring together and synthesize elements of other worldviews, or of domains that in other worldviews tend to be viewed as mutually exclusive, such as science (or rationality) and spirituality, imagination and logic, heart and mind, humanity and natureperspectives that in the West have been in conflict for centuries. In this worldview, such opposing perspectives are frequently understood to be part of a greater whole or synthesison a deeper levelresulting in both-and rather than either-or thinking. Such a holistic or integrative perspective may lead to a profound sense of connection with nature, and an understanding of earthly life itself as imbued with a larger consciousness or Spirit. Universal, existential concernssuch as life and death, self-actualization, global awareness, and serving society, humanity, or even life at largeare often of central importance.
Modern worldviews
Modern worldviews attempt to achieve liberation from imposed, oppressive, frequently religious, authorities and understandings of the past, through an emphasis on rationality and critical thinking. The vision of reality tends to be secular and materialistic: the existence of a higher power, divine reality, or intangible dimension is generally rejected. Science is frequently seen as the ultimate (and even exclusive) source of reliable knowledge, providing access to objective reality. This 'objectification' of reality generates a dualism between body and mind, and object and subject, which tends to lead to immense scientific, technological, and socio-economic progress as well as an instrumentalization of nature. Science and technology are generally seen as central means to address humanity’s most pressing issues. The autonomous, ‘self-made’ individual has a central position in this worldview. Individualistic and hedonistic valuessuch as freedom, in dependence, success, performance, social recognition, comfort, and funare usually dominant.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 19 of 50 (777696)
02-06-2016 4:09 AM


The Agenda Behind the Test
There's an agenda behind this test. The organization that designed it wants to "evolve" people's worldviews. and although I've only read a little of their self-description it seems clear they particularly want to evolve the Traditional, the Modern and the Postmodern, and that must mean they want to evolve them into that one I hate the most, the Integrative. Bunch of manipulative busybodies. They want to cure worldview polarization and "hyperpartisanship." I haven't read far enough to know how they intend to bring this about, but it might make an interesting read.
I'm quite sure they'd like to "evolve" a traditionalist like me into something else, but they also want to evolve both the Left and the Right political wings into something else. They particularly want to evolve Islam into something less dangerous.
If it appeared that they had any power to do these things it would be worth learning more about them.
At least one of the people involved in this identifies strongly with the Left and although he'd like to do away with the Right altogether (as so many here would also), he's trying to be practical about how it isn't going to happen, which is his motivation for trying to "evolve" both points of view. Here's his Letter to the Left.
{It's interesting that there is such an open agenda to try to manipulate people's thinking. What is generally not known is how much manipulation has already been successful in this country, and particularly toward Leftist goals. Yes, conspiracies. Go watch the You Tube video of the interview of Norman Dodd who was on the Reece Committee that discovered how the big foundations like Ford and Carnegie began funding a rewriting of history for school textbooks for the purpose of favoring socialist views. The Reece Committee studied this in the 50s but the conspiracy goes back a few decades before that. TAX EXEMPT foundations by the way, which I mention because there is a thread going now on tax exempt organizations.}
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Message 20 of 50 (777697)
02-06-2016 4:44 AM
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02-06-2016 2:12 AM


The secular materialists believe in mind-body dualism? Surely some mistake.

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Message 21 of 50 (777698)
02-06-2016 5:45 AM
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02-06-2016 4:09 AM


Re: The Agenda Behind the Test
Here is what seems to be their main position paper laying out the agenda for manipulating world views to something they in their infinitely superior divine wisdom deem ideal for running the world:
Premises and Principles of the Evolutionary Worldview
I'm reading the paper now and may have more to post about it later, but this seems to be a foundational statement:
Evolutionary/integral philosophy is essentially a philosophy of evolution that emphasizes the evolution of consciousness and culture as a central factor in the rocess of evolution overall. Integral philosophy has evolved over the last century through the work of Alfred North Whitehead, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Ken Wilber, and others. This philosophy also draws on the discoveries of developmental psychology and other social sciences, and it has been influenced by related forms of social philosophy, such as the widely respected work of German philosopher Jrgen Habermas. Although these founders of integral philosophy differ on many points, they have all recognized that a greater understanding of consciousness is the key to a more complete conception of reality.
"Consciousness." Hm. (The term "evolution" is misapplied of course to a manipulative system but anyway)
I guess you could say this is their program for the globalist movement.
the solutions to seemingly intractable problems, such as environmental degradation and climate change, nuclear proliferation and terrorism, hunger and overpopulation, unregulated globalization and gross inequality, can all be effectively ameliorated by raising or changing the consciousness that is continuing to create (or failing
to prevent) these problems.
I'm fascinated with this. Anybody else?
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Message 22 of 50 (777702)
02-06-2016 8:28 AM
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02-05-2016 12:59 PM


I got stuck on question 1. I couldn't choose between these two as the one I most agree with:
quote:
... I tend to trust scientists and other experts
... I tend to trust my own judgment, feelings, and intuition
But I chose one and forged on anyway, immediately becoming stuck on question 2. How do I choose which of these I agree with most:
quote:
... to be of service to my family, community, and/or country
... to do things my own way and forge my own path in life
... to be successful and have people recognize my achievements
Choosing one and forging on once again, I become stuck on question 4:
quote:
  • I feel more like a citizen of the world than a citizen of a country
  • Who I am is defined by my social position and/or my achievements
  • I feel part of the vast, interconnected whole that is life and the universe
  • Who I am is defined by my religion and upbringing
  • Politically, it's the first. Career-wise, it's the second. Scientifically, it's the third. Spiritually, it's the fourth. There's no most or least here - they're all important.
    It's probably going to go like this through the whole test, so I'll stop nitpicking and finish it now...
    I scored 8 as a Modernist, and -12 as an anti-Traditionalist.
    It would be interesting to take the test again a few months from now after I've forgotten my answers. Would I make pretty much the same choices and score pretty much the same?
    --Percy
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    Message 23 of 50 (777706)
    02-06-2016 11:01 AM
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    02-05-2016 12:59 PM


    I can't get the survey to work at all. If I choose a number, it does nothing. If I click Next, it tells me to check my email.

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    Message 24 of 50 (777707)
    02-06-2016 11:02 AM
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    02-06-2016 8:28 AM


    a prediction
    I think most of us had the same problems you describe, but in the end somehow I think we choose the answers that are most characteristic of our overall worldview. I did the test about five times because I didn't get emails for three of them, and my guess is that I answered pretty consistently, with at most two or three differences.
    So I'll predict for you that when you take the test again you'll get the same Modernist-Anti-traditionalist score, with maybe a slight difference in the numbers between them.

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    Message 25 of 50 (777709)
    02-06-2016 12:08 PM
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    02-06-2016 11:01 AM


    I can't get the survey to work at all. If I choose a number, it does nothing. If I click Next, it tells me to check my email.
    That happened to me at first too, ringo. Then I tried it on Firefox and it worked. If you have Firefox or another browser, try that.

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    Message 26 of 50 (777711)
    02-06-2016 12:22 PM


    Worldview you identify with most: Modern (9)
    Worldview you identify with least: Traditional (-12)
    Although there was no need to wait for the email with results to know that - the results were immediately apparent after a couple of questions. You could easily replace the entire quiz with the following question:
    quote:
    Which of these stereotypes of a worldview do you most and least identify with?
    A. Daft hippy
    B. Religious conservative
    C. Lefty activist
    D. Hard-nosed materialist
    The actual questions were no more opaque, and took more time.

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    Message 27 of 50 (777712)
    02-06-2016 12:28 PM
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    02-06-2016 12:08 PM


    Faith writes:
    If you have Firefox or another browser, try that.
    Thanks. Firefox worked.
    quote:
    Worldview you identify with most: Modern (4)
    Worldview you identify with least: Traditional (-9)
    They basically just asked the same question 17 times. They might as well just have asked, "Modern or traditional?"

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    Message 28 of 50 (777713)
    02-06-2016 12:29 PM
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    02-06-2016 12:22 PM


    interesting way to sort it out.
    A. Daft hippy
    B. Religious conservative
    C. Lefty activist
    D. Hard-nosed materialist
    So then Daft Hippy is the "Integrative" worldview that apparently these researchers want us all to adopt.
    Lefty Activist must be Postmodernism?

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    Message 29 of 50 (777714)
    02-06-2016 12:34 PM
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    They basically just asked the same question 17 times. They might as well just have asked, "Modern or traditional?"
    Don't remember the questions well enough to agree or disagree, but I've been reading their position paper and the way they describe Postmodernism there should be many EvCers who score high on that. In their view it's all about caring about the environment, climate change politics, and defending the oppressed, such as against "gender discrimination" and so on, which people here defend strongly. It just must be that the modernist view comes out higher than the postmodern when they are considered in comparison.
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    Message 30 of 50 (777715)
    02-06-2016 12:56 PM


    There is a chart of the three worldviews in the paper I'm reading that I'd like to be able to reproduce in order to discuss it, but I don't know if that's possible. Copying it doesn't get me anywhere. It's about a third of the way down in the paper, labeled "Figure 1" for anyone who could recreate it here. http://www.culturalevolution.org/docs/ICE-Philosophy.pdf
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