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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
They had time. They could afford to go down a few blind alleys. And then there was the suppression of information\methods that were against corporate profit systems ... see Tesla system for free broadcast energy. Perhaps some of that can be revisited.
We're being sold solar energy by companies that stand to make a lot of money whether it's a blind alley or not. ... What would make it a blind alley would be something that would negate, or render obsolete, current installations. I don't see this happening as what I see is more of a dispersed generation of power integrated with the current grid to transform it into more of an interconnected web where electrical energy can travel either direction over different sections. Maybe Tesla broadcast energy would render the grid obsolete, but not the generation points.
... They are certainly not motivated to tell the truth about scalability. What is scalability other than just increasing the size amount of array of solar panels. If they are modular (which they are) then there is theoretically infinite scalability, limited only by transmission and connection to the grid\end users (at which point it is like any power plant). One has only to look at large installations by power companies to see that they are scaling the installation to their demand for new power. Some of them are massive. It becomes a matter of real estate occupied, and that is where residential roof-top installations excel -- less than half (say 40%) of my roof-top is covered with panels and my house occupies ~25% of my lot, so ~10% of my land area is all that is necessary to provide 100%+ of my electrical needs ... without restricting the living area of the lot at all. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... it's the world inhabited by humanity everywhere for most of its existence and in underdeveloped societies today - a world of scarce food, death by even minor illnesses, hard and brutal labor, and short lives, where folks live at the mercy of nature waiting to die by flood, drought, and plague. And yet curiously, in those underdeveloped societies today the installation of solar (in india and in africa) is the best way to bring electrical technology to the people, because they don't need transmission lines or expensive to operate noisy generators, so the standard of living is improving there. The same applies to rural US and Canada where land is available and powerlines are scarce. Frankly, we don't need big cities to provide intelligent solutions to problems -- university towns do as well a metropolitan ones.
If the use of fossil fuels is really going to cause such problems, ... It is. We just don't know how fast it is going to happen. So far the predictions have been either on target or underestimated the changes.
... then we should all be very sad. ... I am. But I am also angry and hopeful. Angry at the institution of denial and the interference by corporations with even discussing the problem. Hopeful that things will change, that obstructionist denial republicans will be replaced by rational representatives, and that significant programs can be implemented.
... Because we know what a world without access to the cheap, plentiful, and reliable energy provided by fossil fuels looks like: ... Well, I don't think it will happen overnight, but it could happen in 10 years if a dedicated program was initiated to replace fossil fuels with alternative energy and reduced demand via higher efficiency. I think we are on the cusp, and that continuing to plan on fossil fuels will only cause a larger more deadly end result. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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But that's a lie, RAZD. Just another slick selling gimmick. Kenya has more solar systems per capita than anywhere else. And look at them: they're Kenya. Curiously I don't see how it is a lie or a selling gimmick. It is real, it is happening. Kenya is a developing country with very little infrastructure for electrical transmission. It makes sense to use solar because (a) there is plenty of it and (b) it is cheaper to install near where it is used than to build big plants and transmission lines. They are freed from that fossil fuel paradigm and can develop a solar based energy economy from the start.
And as for India, they get over half their electricity from coal - U.S. is at about 40%. It's not sunshine lifting India from poverty, it is, as it has been with every country that's developed its economy, the always-on, cheap, reliable, and scalable energy of fossil fuels. And again, that power is not getting to the remote and rural areas and solar provides electricity at those locations. India is also a developing country, and the cities are overcrowded. Using solar in the rural and remote areas allows for future development in those locations without having to go to the cities to use electricity.
If renewable energy can be relied upon to fuel economic growth, the Indians certainly haven't found a way to do it. With solar energy developing nations do not need to copy and paste the paradigm of western "civilization" production and distribution to energize new economic growth, but can develop one based on localized production and use, scaling up as needed. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
That's exactly my point. What works in low-density suburbia will not necessarily work in high-density urbia. And then we have to ask the question: which is better for people, low density suburbia (with distributed systems) or high-density urbia (with concentrated systems)? One of the reasons high density urban systems exist is because of the concentration of energy distribution. Energy is concentrated and people cluster around it to take advantage of it. This is why energy costs are less when concentrated: it is the distribution, not the generation -- more concentration means less transmission lines. With a more open system and energy disbursed across the area there is less need to clump people. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I think RAZD and LNA have given up trying to support their outrageous claims. You wish. Your claims get more and more ridiculous and blind to reality.
It doesn't matter how cheap solar becomes, it will always be cheaper to run a grid system of mass-production and distribution than to run on a subsistence model of electricity generation. My personal use is far from subsistence -- it is doing so well that I am looking at expanding my use of electricity so I can cut down on other energy. The systems being installed in India and Kenya are lifting people OUT of subsistence living. Nor do I envisage removal of the grid wiring, but converting it to a web network with billions of generation locations distribute in a way that the energy is shared as needed. I produced more energy than I used in December, when days were short and sunshine limited. That surplus is out there on the web for others to use. So I expect to be producing more than I need for some time. For little cost ($3,000.00-$5,000) you can buy off the shelf power backup that would allow you to power your peak-load time usage and replenish during low load times. This market is just beginning ... because solar power panels are creating a demand for it. The price will come down as the technology is developed -- and there is a LOT of activity in developing energy storage systems. Solar and wind and tidal energy generation are developing more and more, and efficiencies are increasing while costs are dropping. Remaining glued to fossil fuels is unrealistic. One of the last "frontiers" is powering vehicles with renewable systems, and there are several approaches that are undergoing further development. For example compressed air car technology is being developed into a practical system. This would be amazing for public transportation -- where the vehicles recharge at stations (and use air compression for brakes) -- no high voltage subway rails or trolley\trolly-bus overhead wires. Of course you need compressors, but they can be powered by any energy. This is a common element of all new powering systems -- hydrogen, fuel cells, etc -- but I think compressed air is (a) the easiest for infrastructure (most garages have compressors ...) (b) the safest as there is nothing there to cause fires in a crash.
I don't even have a house... One of my new projects is to work with my town so that it can go fossil fuel free by 2020 (the "2020 vision project") by installing solar panels on town properties ... with co-op funding: people "buy" panels to be installed, the town gets the electricity and the panel "owners" get credit against their property taxes. This is working with the existing way solar power is structured with the utility company. Co-op members could buy and sell shares (panels). The town gets cheaper electricity without having to fund the panels, the members get cheaper taxes -- both because they get a rebate but because town costs are lowered - win-win. There is no reason that you couldn't have a company provide solar power and you could sign up to use their power -- you can already choose different utility companies to provide your electricity over the existing grid system. Now I live -- intentionally -- in a small town in RI, and it is very very feasible to provide all the electricity that the town needs by this system. I don't need to focus on your unrealistic extreme scenario cases (NY city may take a while but that doesn't mean the small town can't get started on it). There is also more interest each year. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
What is the plan? Turn off the furnace and hot water while people are at home making dinner or taking a shower? The furnace is only needed for part of the year. Without it hot water becomes 18/58=31% of usage. I have heard other sources say it is 40% of energy use. I use hot water radiant floor heat, and water heaters are hot enough, so this summer I will be installing a large electric water heater for hot water and heat. It will be powered by the excess power I have been generating. This will double my savings from my panels. In addition I will be adding solar hot water to "precondition" the water entering the water heater, reducing the energy demand.
If you want to conserve your power, conserve it. But the point is that it has to be up to you. If it is not up to the end user to conserve, then you do indeed end up with a Kenyan economy where economic prosperity and the well-being it generates are constrained by the availability of reliable energy. And I can take my house system and place it anywhere in rural America and not be reduced to a "Kenyan economy ... constrained by the availability of reliable energy." There is absolutely no reason everyone else cannot do this -- even if you have to "rent" panels half-way across the continent and access it through the energy web. Every existing generation plant can be replaced with solar power and you would not even notice it. It is your misconception that is your problem. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : lost some of thatby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If we move the peak into the valley then it is no longer a peak. You mean midnight? Put your dishwasher and clothes washer on timers.
Though with large scale renewable energy systems, where the consumption of power is separated from its generation by the storage medium, these issues like peak load become less important. You just have to have enough power, period. And the best place to store energy is as local as possible -- thus the Tesla Wall for homes and small businesses. This technology is just beginning to be practical, and it is one of the growing endeavors: competition will lower costs, technology improvements will improve efficiency.
It's not 'unlimited consumption' and it's not 'washing our hair so much' - it's just washing it at the time of our choosing. Which is a cultural thing, and this can change. Personally I think Americans wash too much (and are unhealthy as a result). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
2015 data is in and so is January 2016 data. 2015 was the hottest year on record and 2016 is starting out even worse. And 2015 was higher than previous records for each month of the year. But that is only part of the story: Scientists are floored by what’s happening in the Arctic right now quote: If there is a tipping point to sudden extreme change we could be approaching that. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Every existing generation plant can be replaced with solar power and you would not even notice it. Prove. It. The technology exists. Now. Off the shelf. All it takes is implementation, not any new science or engineering of systems. Also see Here's how to get solar power if you don't own a roof - Vox Community based systems sharing installation costs. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Actually that is a "it is being done, it uses available technology" proof, while your denial is just hand-waving.
Wow: The U.S. Built More Solar Than Natural Gas Last Year quote: China plans to retire most of their coal plants in favor of solar. Scalable. Doable. Being done. No further proof necessary.
Here's how to get solar power if you don't own a roof quote: And I am in the initial stages of working with my town to install a solar farm that would initially provide 100% electricity for town buildings and lights in a joint venture with co-op ownership of panels\shares to fund it and get credit against taxes. The plan is that this would grow from such an initial program to one that supplies electricity to subscribers. The town provides the land and gets free energy, and that reduces the tax load to residents. The coop members get a return on their investment, first against taxes and later possible dividends as their market expands. Again, doable with existing technology and existing political economic constraints. Just walk forward and you will reach the goal. Enjoy ps -- I'm in the 0.5% Edited by RAZD, : r Edited by RAZD, : 5by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Making solar power an affordable reality in rural Kenya | CGTN America
filling the power void in rural areas, moving step by step. Your "kenyan economy" is shifting towards a new world without having to go through fossil fuel use on the way. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Your dirty clothes can generally sit a few hours before you wash them, so you can get the entire wash cycle off peak. Maybe not the dry cycle. Or you can wash and dry your clothes during the weekend. I use a solar clothes dryer ...
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Solar Glass From NexPower is Available to Anyone
quote: All those vertical sides of the towers are potential sites for a photovoltaic panel that you can see through. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
And here is another tid bit based on an old Ted Talk:
quote: Now I think that would be impractical as it puts all your eggs in one basket. But it would be easy to divide the project up into many smaller projects and achieve the same resulting power capacity. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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My brother Xongsmith proposed a new topic on this, so I thought I would add it in here
quote: ... with charts from 1990 and 1999 ... Meanwhile the real scientists move forward with the latest data:
quote: Past time to do something. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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