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Bob Bobber
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Message 106 of 280 (779943)
03-09-2016 11:47 PM
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03-09-2016 11:34 PM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
Lucifer's creator made and formed and created the bodies of all these angels out of a substance called spirit, which is the same kind of substance Lucifer's creator body is composed of. But the life these angels have within themselves, it is not the same kind of life Lucifer's creator has within himself. The life Lucifer's creator has within himself produces some kind of light that his body cannot contain, but the unique life these angels have within themselves, it also produces light that their bodies cannot contain, but that light output can be controlled. The light Lucifer's creator's life produces cannot be controlled, it just shines all the time. Lucifer attacked the way the earth was getting it's light. How can Lucifer's creator visit the earth and have a relationship with the beings living on that earth and still maintain the light source of the earth?

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Message 107 of 280 (779944)
03-09-2016 11:49 PM
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03-09-2016 11:21 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
Bob, you seem to have a worked-out theology you got from somewhere, though not the Bible, and I'm wondering where. Where did you get the idea that the earth was ever in "the first heaven" for instance? And the idea that Lucifer had the power to force God to light the earth? Or that it was Lucifer who "flooded out" the earth? And why do you keep saying "Lucifer's creator" instead of God. None of this is Biblical but it has the sound of somebody's worked-out theology. Yours or some writer you like? Are you willing to say what the source of these ideas is?
Thanks.
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Bob Bobber
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Message 108 of 280 (779946)
03-10-2016 12:08 AM
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03-09-2016 11:49 PM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
Lucifer didn't have the power to force God to light the earth, he disable the light source God used to visit the earth. I used Lucifer's creator, because it sounded good at the time? There is a first heaven, we are in the second heaven, and there is going to be a new heaven. I reasoned this out on my own, I am a researcher.

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Message 109 of 280 (779948)
03-10-2016 12:14 AM
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03-10-2016 12:08 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
Thanks. What's wrong with just sticking to the Bible to explain all those things?

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Bob Bobber
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Message 110 of 280 (779949)
03-10-2016 12:21 AM
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03-10-2016 12:14 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
But it is in the Bible. It takes a lot of work though, I will save you the time. All was going good, until wrongdoing was found in Lucifer. He disabled the source of light God used when he visited the earth.

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Message 111 of 280 (779950)
03-10-2016 12:40 AM
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03-10-2016 12:21 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
But it is in the Bible. It takes a lot of work though, I will save you the time.
All was going good, until wrongdoing was found in Lucifer. He disabled the source of light God used when he visited the earth.
But the Bible seems to indicate that Lucifer already existed before the earth was created, though I admit I'm fuzzy about all this. All the angels were created before the earth existed. Lucifer was the greatest Archangel. He rebelled against God, being in love with himself and thinking he should be equal to God, and took a third of the angels with him, their evil natures turning them into Satan and his demon hordes. Humanity was then created to be a kind of foil to Lucifer's fall, beings who would ultimately triumph over the rebels, which motivated Satan to deceive us into falling too so he could rule over us and defeat God's plan. I do admit I'm not sure where all this comes from either. The basic history of Lucifer's fall is in Isaiah 28 and Ezekiel 14 but perhaps there is an apocryphal source as well. A quick google doesn't do it, I'll have to spend time on it later.
"Disabled the source of light when God visited the earth?" NO idea where this would come from.
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Bob Bobber
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Message 112 of 280 (779951)
03-10-2016 12:47 AM
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03-10-2016 12:40 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
Let's reason back wards, Gen. 1:1, the earth became without form and void. When you do a word study on 'without form' and 'void', you come up with some crazy figures of speech. Disabled the source of light when God visited the earth, the sides of the north, were all the angels are seated. But maybe the earth was there before these being were created? Do a word study on the word 'north'.
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Message 113 of 280 (779952)
03-10-2016 12:50 AM
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03-10-2016 12:47 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
I can see this would be a lengthy trip into who-knows-what. I'm going to pass for now.

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Bob Bobber
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Message 114 of 280 (779953)
03-10-2016 12:53 AM
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03-10-2016 12:50 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
When all the angels sat in the sides of the north, they could produce enough light, to light that earth when God visit the earth. When one third of the angels left with Lucifer, he disabled the light source God use when he visit the earth.

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Message 115 of 280 (779954)
03-10-2016 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by Bob Bobber
03-10-2016 12:53 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
God doesn't need a light source. let alone light provided by Satan, He sees everything perfectly without any form of created or artificial light, even into the workings of the atom. Besides which, He IS a light source. That is why there will be no created light in the New Jerusalem, God Himself will be its light:
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
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Bob Bobber
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Message 116 of 280 (779955)
03-10-2016 1:42 AM
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03-10-2016 1:27 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
That is my point, God is the light source. The life he has within himself produce some kind of light that just shine through his body, because his body is composed out of spirit. Lucifer is Lucifer until wrong doing was found in him. And Lucifer was not sitting in the side of the north, he had a different function to the whole process.

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Faith 
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Message 117 of 280 (779956)
03-10-2016 1:50 AM
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03-10-2016 1:42 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
That is my point, God is the light source. The life he has within himself produce some kind of light that just shine through his body, because his body is composed out of spirit. Lucifer is Lucifer until wrong doing was found in him. And Lucifer was not sitting in the side of the north, he had a different function to the whole process.
Bob, God IS Spirit, He doesn't have a body, even a body "composed of spirit." And besides, that WASN'T your point about God being a light source since you kept saying the angels sitting in the north were His light source.
When people go off into researching the Bible on their own they usually go wrong. God gave us lots of preachers and teachers who are called to that job, people we are to rely on to help us understand His word because He doesn't give us all that gift. What you are coming up with is the usual weird unbiblical stuff that all Lone Rangers come up with who don't trust the teachers God gave us. There is a proverb that says there is safety in many counselors. The more authorized teachers we consult the closer we will come to understanding God's word. Otherwise we'll go off into strange misunderstandings, which is what you clearly have done.
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Bob Bobber
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Message 118 of 280 (779957)
03-10-2016 1:54 AM
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03-10-2016 1:50 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
No, I said when God visited the earth, the angels in the side of the north was the earth's light source. When Lucifer disabled that light source, God could not visit the earth, he had to be it's light source.

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Faith 
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Message 119 of 280 (779958)
03-10-2016 2:01 AM
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03-10-2016 1:54 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
No, I said when God visited the earth, the angels in the side of the north was the earth's light source. When Lucifer disabled that light source, God could not visit the earth, he had to be it's light source.
He couldn't visit the earth because He had to be its light source? That makes no sense. God can visit the Earth any old time He wants with or without light of any kind. God doesn't even need to "visit" the Earth for that matter. God is everywhere at once. The only "visiting" He did that I know of was when He "walked in the garden" with Adam and Eve, and that kind of expression is typical of the Bible's condescension to human inability to comprehend the truths about God, who is so different from us. When we think of God's coming down to us it's just our way of understanding things in physical terms because they make sense to us, whereas God has no need to move in physical space at all. He's already everywhere.
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Bob Bobber
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Message 120 of 280 (779959)
03-10-2016 2:17 AM
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03-10-2016 2:01 AM


Re: When the earth was in the first heaven
Let's call God El, but the problem El faces is having a relationship with the living beings on the earth, when El was the light source of the earth. Now El’s body is composed of a substance called spirit, and the life he has within himself produces some kind of light that his body cannot contain. His power may be everywhere, but not his body.
This is what Yahweh used in the garden to talk to Adam. Ezekiel, a prophet of Yahweh, he had a remarkable vision, he saw Yahweh riding on a kind of throne chariot. Yahweh’s enthroned above four magnificent creatures. Each of these has a human body and then four faces: the face of a human, the face of a lion, the face of an ox, and the face of an eagle. There are four huge wheels under this throned chariot, and they are said to gleam like beryl beneath a vast and awe-inspiring expanse or dome, which gleams like crystal.
Above that is the semblance of a throne that is like sapphire, and on the throne was the semblance of a human form that’s gleaming like amber, and its fire encased in a frame, which is radiant all about. This fire that’s encased, is in a cloud that contains or hides the fire that is Yahweh’s presence.

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