People ARE Mixing the Gospels Together!

No, sorry Charley but you did not show anything of the sort. You made assertions which you cannot support.

What you are doing is one of the most dishonest of the tactics of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, pulling isolated proof texts out of context. It's dishonest and only fools fools.

A totally irrelevant and vacuous reply.We were talking about Genesis 1. Nothing in Ezekiel has anything relevance or connection to Genesis 1.Genesis 1 is a myth written to explain and justify the Jewish sacred week and Sabbath.That was what was under discussion.Attempts to move the goal posts, palm the pea, misdirect attention may work in con games and Carny sideshows but not in an honest discussion.

There is still no flood, no Satan, no first heaven in Genesis 1.Ezekiel is NOT Genesis 1.Sorry but them's the facts Jack.Have you ever read the Bible?

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Genesis 1King James Version (KJV)

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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

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2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

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3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

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4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

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5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

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6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

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7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

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8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

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9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

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10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

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12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

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13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

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14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

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15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

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16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

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17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

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18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

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19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

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20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

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21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

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22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

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23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

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24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

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25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

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26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

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29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

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30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

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31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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And on the seventh day God rested.It is a myth designed to explain the sacred week and the Sabbath.

You claimed that Genesis 1 mentioned Satan flooding the world and a first heaven but that is simply false. We will deal with the next piece of your nonsense once we clear up your Genesis 1 nonsense.

Do you remember the topic of thgis thread?It is that people are mixing the gospels together.You need to stop mixing the gospels together and stop trying to move the goal post, change the subject, palm the pea, con the rubes every time you are shown to not just be wrong but to have absolutely no idea of what is actually written in the Bible.You are not moving on, you are just trying to run away.

There is no "First Heaven" in Genesis 1.And no Satan.And no flood.Should I quote it again for you?

It has nothing to do with creation or even reasoning; it is simply a matter of honesty and what is actually written.In Genesis 1 there is no mention of Satan, no mention of a flood, no mention of a first heaven.Those are all thing YOU made up, not the authors, editors, redactors of Genesis 1.

LOL.Who cares?We are talking about what the Bible says and it says nothing about the state of anything before heaven.That's as silly a question as asking what I know about before the Big Bang. It currently has no meaning.

Again, in Genesis 1 there are no 24 people or el or creatures.Sorry but you are still just making shit up and mixing up the Gospels.

I can read and there is no el or 24 people or 4 creatures in either the term 'without form' or the term 'void' or anywhere in Genesis 1.But Kipling did write on the subject in the Just So Stories, particularly the one about How the Camel got it's Hump.But even there, no el, no 24 people, no 4 creatures.

Actually I can fit the sacred week and the Sabbath in the story that begins in Genesis 1 and continues to Genesis 2:1-3. But first you need to understand a very little about how the Bible was created and that requires understanding that things like books of the Bible and verses and punctuation are a recent creation added long after any of the stories were first put into writing.If you wish to learn I will be happy to try to teach you.

But I have never said that the Sabbath is part of Gen 1:1, I said that the purpose of Genesis 1 was to establish the sacred week and the Sabbath.It is broken down into days, the day is defined as starting at sundown, it defines a series of six days to be followed by a day of rest; the Jewish sacred week and the Sabbath.Have you ever actually read the Bible?

No, sorry Charley but you still don't seem to understand.The Sabbath starts at sundown of the sixth day and ends at sundown of the seventh day.Days in Genesis 1 are the same length as days at anytime on Earth and last about 24 hours.It really is that simple.The God character and creation in Genesis 1 are just plot devices to enforce and justify the Jewish sacred week and the Sabbath.Gen 1, like the much older Genesis 2&3 tale are Just so stories meant to explain behaviors; Genesis 1 to explain weekly ritual and Genesis 2&3 to explain why childbirth seems to hurt more for humans than the other animals, why we fear snakes, why people must farm instead of just being hunter gathers, why men rule over women, why unlike all the other animals humans make and wear clothes and why we tend to build societies based on some understanding or right and wrong and justice and why there must be consequences for breaking rules.There are additional themes found in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 but none of them involve long periods of time or floods or Satan or first and second heavens or any of the other stuff you have tried to market.For example, the God character in Genesis 1 is entirely different than the God character found in Genesis 2&3. Go back and reread them and as an exercise see if you can describe how the two gods differ.

What is written is what is written; cherry picking verses and "proof texts" are simply bullshit.