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jar
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Message 166 of 1864 (736071)
09-01-2014 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Jon
09-01-2014 12:09 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Also, at least according to the Bible, God is quite often unsure of what is right or wrong and just like us, God struggles over morality and changes his position.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 167 of 1864 (736073)
09-01-2014 1:44 PM
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09-01-2014 12:09 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Jon writes:
and there seems to be no reason God should keep His promises.
Except that that makes god a liar.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 168 of 1864 (736097)
09-02-2014 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by NoNukes
08-31-2014 12:52 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
NoNukes writes:
I can point to past discussion involving exactly those examples.
Apparently you're not aware of the Clean Slate Defense? That would certainly apply if those "past discussions" were in another thead. And since I have a short attention span, I feel free to invoke it at will.
NoNukes writes:
The real disagreement I have is with the idea that we can use the term 'Father' to make up obligations for God that we have no evidence or scripture indicating that God has agreed to.
That would be the Watering The Soup Defense - the soup may be thinned to cover more territory but all of the ingredients are still there.

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jar
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Message 169 of 1864 (736098)
09-02-2014 12:19 PM
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09-02-2014 12:13 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
ringo writes:
That would be the Watering The Soup Defense - the soup may be thinned to cover more territory but all of the ingredients are still there.
Or the "loaves and fishes defense" I imagine.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 170 of 1864 (736100)
09-02-2014 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by ringo
09-02-2014 12:13 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Apparently you're not aware of the Clean Slate Defense?
If people want to back out of earlier positions all they have to do is say so. I don't even mind if people change positions in the same thread.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 171 of 1864 (736104)
09-02-2014 2:39 PM
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09-02-2014 1:28 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
I don't even mind if people change positions in the same thread.
I dunno, man, lately you've really been coming off as a bulldog of a nitpicky pedant.

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Message 172 of 1864 (736105)
09-02-2014 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by New Cat's Eye
09-02-2014 2:39 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
I dunno, man, lately you've really been coming off as a bulldog of a nitpicky pedant.
You want some bro?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 173 of 1864 (736106)
09-02-2014 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by NoNukes
09-02-2014 3:16 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
You want some bro?
Some more? No thanks, I've had enough already.

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ringo
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Message 174 of 1864 (736119)
09-03-2014 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by NoNukes
09-02-2014 1:28 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
NoNukes writes:
If people want to back out of earlier positions all they have to do is say so.
I don't look at it as "backing out" of a position. Arguing a position is not the same as taking a position.

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Message 175 of 1864 (736161)
09-04-2014 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by ringo
09-03-2014 11:37 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Arguing a position is not the same as taking a position.
No, not here it isn't. Apparently.

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ringo
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Message 176 of 1864 (736169)
09-04-2014 1:32 PM
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09-04-2014 12:26 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Catholic Scientist writes:
ringo writes:
Arguing a position is not the same as taking a position.
No, not here it isn't. Apparently.
quote:
The major goal of the study of debate as a method or art is to develop the ability to debate rationally from either position with equal ease. link

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Message 177 of 1864 (736173)
09-04-2014 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by ringo
09-04-2014 1:32 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Mmhmm...
quote:
Ya know, I'm just not sure that the 14th amendment requires a State to legalize gay marriage
ZOMG! YOU HATE TEH GAYZ!!!!
quote:
Actually, this is what the Bible says about the trinity.
ZOMG! HOW CAN YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE ANY OF THAT STUFF!?
quote:
I'm not really seeing the correlation that you're talking about, see look at this.
ZOMG! YOU'RE JUST DENYING DATA BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BONER FOR GUNS!!
Day in. Day out.

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ringo
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Message 178 of 1864 (736176)
09-04-2014 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by New Cat's Eye
09-04-2014 1:59 PM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
Some can argue both sides of a debate; some have to believe what they debate; some can't argue either side effectively.

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Message 179 of 1864 (781248)
04-02-2016 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Rob
01-13-2007 10:45 PM


Marketing 101
I'm going to bump this topic up just for the heck of it. I wont be commenting or adding anything to what my 2007 self had to say...its odd that I say much the same things now as I did back then. If anybody else cares about this topic, feel free to resurrect it. If not, oh well. Im reading a book.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 180 of 1864 (781920)
04-09-2016 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by ringo
08-28-2014 11:39 AM


Re: The Limitations Of Good And Evil Behaviors
jar writes:
Jesus seems to agree with Ringo, not you.
Life requires real food, real shelter, real clothing, real health care, real protection not imagined platitudes.
Im still studying the idea of whether prayer and fasting are beneficial to being a better Christian. My gut instinct tells me that they are.
These old topics are fun to review, however. I believe that I am evolving slowly. Or at the very least experiencing recreation!
ringo writes:
How would He "be a savior"? And why would He have to come to earth to do it? Why couldn't He poof us "saved" from heaven?
Phat writes:
To be an example, maybe?
Jesus fasted and prayed often. So why do we think we can turn off the NFL game, grab a bag of chips and a hot dog, then run out the door to go volunteer at the shelter for an hour before picking up the kids from soccer...and think that we are doing like Jesus taught?
Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

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