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Author Topic:   Evidence for Evolution: Whale evolution
New Cat's Eye
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Message 129 of 443 (780660)
03-18-2016 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by AlphaOmegakid
03-18-2016 11:10 AM


Re: Fraud Alert! Dolphin with NO LEGS
There is zero evidence of atavism there.
Are you saying it is more likely that this is a case of independent birth defects that resulted in two additional dorsal fins coincidentally growing in exactly the places we would expect to find hind limb buds growing into flippers?

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Message 136 of 443 (782007)
04-13-2016 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by AlphaOmegakid
04-13-2016 11:41 AM


Re: Atavisms in Cetacea Don't Exist!
Are you saying that it is more likely that the dolphin is a case of independent birth defects that resulted in two additional dorsal fins coincidentally growing in exactly the places we would expect to find hind limb buds growing into flippers?

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Message 140 of 443 (782019)
04-13-2016 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by AlphaOmegakid
04-13-2016 2:27 PM


Re: Atavisms in Cetacea Don't Exist!
I am also saying that polymelia can explain this in two ways. If the fins are fibrous, which they look like, they can be polymelia from the dorsal fin.
Right, so the dolphin has a birth defect that causes another dorsal fin to grow on a different part of its body.
Coincidentally, that dorsal fin grew in exactly the place we would expect a bud to grow into a rear flipper.
And this happened twice, once on each side.
You find that to be more likely than the buds just failing to be reabsorbed and then growing into flippers like they naturally would?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 172 of 443 (782213)
04-20-2016 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by AlphaOmegakid
04-20-2016 4:19 PM


Re: A Whale of a Tale!
Shouldn't we expect more sexual dimorphism in these bones if they evolved to control the penis?
Why would a female have them like this?

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Message 180 of 443 (782234)
04-21-2016 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by AlphaOmegakid
04-20-2016 6:04 PM


Re: A Whale of a Tale!
Well I don't accept the premise that they evolved, so I can't effectively answer your question.
No, that's a cop-out. I don't believe that Santa Clause magically poofed whales into existence ex nihilo, but I could answer questions about what kind of ramifications I would expect from that.
Figures 16,17,and18 from this paper show the female arrangement. There is quite a variation from the males, but a very similar function to anchor the muscles related to the genitalia.
Sure, but if penis control is the "purpose" of these bones existing in whales, then it really don't make sense for the females to have them.
Because her designer knew that she would need muscles in this area of her body, and they would need anchoring points.
That's a non-answer that could be a response to any question.
Why is the sky blue? Because the designer knew that the sky would need to be blue.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 186 of 443 (782252)
04-21-2016 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by AlphaOmegakid
04-21-2016 2:21 PM


Re: A Whale of a Tale!
Not to you of course.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
But if a male whale needs to manipulate his penis left and right just a little bit, wouldn't it make sense for the female to maneuver her vagina a little bit to accommodate her mate.
Depends on what you're talking about. It wouldn't make sense for a designer that wasn't a complete idiot to make it that way.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 190 of 443 (782262)
04-21-2016 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by AlphaOmegakid
04-21-2016 4:54 PM


Re: A Whale of a Tale!
Stop being an idiot, ya dingus.

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Message 204 of 443 (782339)
04-22-2016 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by AlphaOmegakid
04-21-2016 4:52 PM


Re: FRAUD #2 REVEALED
Now, the deck boards and structures provide the perfect alignment for the parallax grid as shown. He used 6' or 72" for the man's height to obtain a scale measurement of the "leg". As you can see the in situ "leg" is only 24" outside the body. At most the leg is 1/3rd the man's height however tall he is. That means for this "leg" to be 50" long, the this man is 150" tall (12.5 feet).
Have him redo it with the "leg" coming out perpendicular to the deckboards rather than parallel to them. That would be more accurate and I'm curious how much that changes the length.

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