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But don't you know that the 2nd Amendment exists independent and without context to the rest of the Constitution.#2

First part of my answer was tongue in cheek. Just in case some people didn't get that.

This has been addressed numerous times. How about you do something else rather than just constantly rinse and repeat? You keep bringing up this strawman and are being constantly told you are building a strawman. That you are constantly using this tactic seems to show you have no argument. In order to constructively participate in a thread you have to read what people actually write not what you want them to have written. Your question has been addressed numerous times. How about you read the thread and address the measures that have been presented numerous times?When you have no argument maybe you should look at why you have no argument.

And here it goes. I am extremely disappointed in the way you are framing things. You know how things go here. There is no one on one unless it is specifically requested. If someone pot something people don't agree with they will comment. Do you want me to research all the responses you have had to posts that were not directed at you? Either your reading skills are not that good or you are selectively reading posts. Not worth a response.

Pissy? Thin skin much?
Personal attacks? Still?
Specific measures have been proposed on this thread. Here I will even do the reading and research for you.
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This isn't the first and only specific proposals presented.

Like availability of ammunition for those guns?OK lets be like Switzerland. Own whatever gun you want, but all ammunition is highly regulated and all reloading components are highly regulated. Does that work for you?The point you keep missing and this last post totally exposes this, is that the call is not for banning of guns, but for more regulation. The regulation people like Percy are calling for is common safety measures.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Is this an anecdote from personal experience or something you heard? I wonder how his department would feel about him making such a statement to Boy Scouts. Such cowboy attitudes about guns are part of the problem. As I gun owner I do not find the sound chilling at all. I wonder in what situations would a bad guy with a gun hear the sound and be affected by it. Your hypothetical standoff story sounds ridiculous.

I would debate that a .17 is way more deadly than a .22. On larger animals the high speed makes it less deadly than a .22. A slow moving .22 would penetrate more and leave more energy deposited inside of the body, rather than the .17 which would expend most of its energy on initial impact leaving less energy deposited in the target. That it is why it is effective on smaller animals and why very small animals, like rabbits almost explode. It is not an effective hunting round for that reason, unless you consider varmint shooting, hunting.That is one of the reasons in a wooded area or when hunting larger game a slow heavier bullet is more effective than a faster, smaller. I have two rifles for deer hunting one is a .30-30 which I use when I am in the woods and a 7mm-08 for when I am in my stand and have an open shot. In the woods I need a slower heavier round that will not be deflected or lose energy if it hits anything on the way to the deer. I have seen situations where the 7mm-08 round exploded when it hit a twig just in front of the deer. Luckily there was enough energy left in a couple of the shards to take out the arteries near the heart.
The plus of the 7mm-08 is that at distances over 100 yards it is more accurate. Also at longer distances the .30-30 just does not retain much energy.A lot of your info on calibers is correct, but this was pretty egregiously incorrect. Cuz we all know thats gonna happen. You really should stop living in the movie world.
If I hear the NRA mantra about stopping power one more time, I might lose it.

17 hmr, because when it hits my clothes it is going to disintegrate. The 22 will penetrate clothing and then expand as it enters the body, leaving a much larger energy deposit.Deer and people are roughly same size.You are wrong about lethality of .17 hmr and humans.

Not true. Under Nazi's laws on gun ownership were loosened, except for the jews. If you have evidence to the contrary, present it.

This new study debunks the whole "good guy with a gun" meme. Not surprisingly there seems to be no evidence to support the "good guy with a gun" myth. Guns are rarely used in self defense. Now before you ammosexuals make some claim of the deterrent effect, the study looks at that too.

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The study’s detailed findings include:

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In 2013, there were only 211 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm. That same year, there were 7,838 criminal firearm homicides.

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In 2013, for every justifiable homicide in the United States involving a firearm, guns were used in 37 criminal homicides. This ratio does not include the tens of thousands of lives taken in suicides or unintentional shootings.

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Twenty states reported zero justifiable firearm homicides by civilians in 2013: Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

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Intended victims of violent crimes engaged in self-protective behavior with a firearm in only 0.9 percent of attempted and completed incidents between 2012 and 2014.

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Intended victims of property crimes engaged in self-protective behavior with a firearm in only 0.2 percent of attempted and completed incidents between 2012 and 2014.

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A significant percentage of the persons killed in a firearm justifiable homicide were known to the shooter, not strangers. In 2013, 27 percent of persons killed in a firearm justifiable homicide were known to the shooter, 59.7 percent were strangers, and for 13.3 percent of persons the relationship was unknown.

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The shooters in justifiable homicides are overwhelmingly male. In 2013, of the 211 firearm justifiable homicides, 93.8 percent were committed by men.

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The 211 firearm justifiable homicides by private citizens in 2013 do not include shootings by law enforcement.

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Self-Defense Gun Use is Rare, New VPC Study Confirms | Violence Policy Center Full studyNow anyone have any scientific studies showing this study is incorrect?That is right, ammosexuals do not do or want scientific studies on gun violence.
Blackout: How the NRA suppressed gun violence researchScience? We don't need no stinkin' science.

Are you going to address the study or just build more strawman arguments?Are you going to ask the NRA to validate their claim that 2.5 million Americans use guns in self-defense against criminal attackers each year?

We are talking evidence Faith not anecdotes. You have a way of coming in and shitting all over threads, please do not do that here.

The NRA argument is that there are millions of examples that good guys with guns stop bad guys with a gun. This study shows that there are not millions of examples. Yes maybe I over sold the study. The point I was trying to make, albeit poorly, is that scientific studies show a different portrayal about guns than what the NRA is selling.Thank you for calling me out on a poorly worded and poorly defended post.

But alas, you have no data or evidence to back this up