Does Republican Congressman Tim Murphy use fraudulent science?

He shot down a caller ( on March 5, 2013 Washington Journal) for stating that SSRIs cause insanity and suicidal ideation. He shouted that it is absolutely "untrue".http://www.c-span.org/search/?searchtype=Videos&personid=...But a 2011 Canadian court-case saw a teenager slowly reduce SSRIs over a multi-month period, and the mood of the person improved tremendously. The teenager made history in being the first person ever found not guilty by reason of insanity due to a (the historical part -->) cause by mental pills. Dr. Peter Bregin testified in this case.Peter Breggin wrote a book "Talking Back to Prozac" and it made the case that SSRIs only "work" slightly better than the placebo rate plus he argued that the side effects (like suicidal ideation) are overlooked. The book essentially cost him his medical license in New York (though his endless insistence that "atypical" anti-psychotic drugs like Zyprexa cause brain shrinkage and his never ending critique of Harvard Medical School also got him in hot water).Here is an interesting interview with an authority on neuroscience, Dr. Francis Yensen.Interview: Frances Jensen On The Teenage Brain : Shots - Health News : NPRShe said that SSRIs do cause suicide in those before age 20. She doesn't mention that her view is considered heresy lol.Also, a University of Connecticut study shows that all anti-depressants combined(?) only help 50% of the time and then of that the placebo rate is an astonishing 82%, so only a 9% difference in total." "clinically negligible"I saw this in an article
"The Pill That Kills Your Sex Drive Antidepressants are everywhere. So are their dire effects on love and sex. Isn't that depressing?" By Paul John Scott, Men's Health, April 2014The article also plainly stated that the famous SSRI marketing claim of a "serotonin imbalance" is completely unscientific in reality.ssri's april mens health - SearchIs the SSRI issue an example of scientific fraud among the mainstream?Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

Please define and describe SSRI. This is a page of links to twenty different videos. Please provide a link to a specific video.

At 42:30 in the interview, a "Mike from Oklahoma" pointed out the dangers of SSRIs and the fact that almost all shooters have had SSRIs in their system. Rep Timothy Murphy responded by saying (at 42:57, the close caption quote will be visible):

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March 5, 20013
Washington Journal
C-SPAN

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"The idea medication causes violence is not true"
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http://www.c-span.org/video/?311329-3/representative-tim-...

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This (above) is from the leading voice on capitol hill pushing for forced medication of children (never mind that children and teenagers are traumatized when forced into being shocked or drugged by an all-powerful government, because Murphy thinks mentally ill are "born that way" so any environmentally induced illness he doesn't care about). But is he correct when he dismissed Mike, as well as others, who criticize SSRIs, as being incorrect? Are these drugs really such high-precision wonders and are the all psychotropic alterations in the brain so well-targeted, mapped, and defined that he can dismiss any catastrophic effects at once?Lets see what the leading scientist from his state of Pennsylvania has to say.

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Fresh Air with Terry Gross
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"Another example of how a developing brain doesn't respond in the same way as an adult is the example - you may recall this, maybe 10 years ago - where it was realized that certain antidepressants caused an increase in suicidality in the teenager. Well, again, it's not an adult brain. You're giving adult doses that have adult chemistry to a not-adult brain. And you get unusual results and not the same result. And in this case, it was found that there was enhancement in suicidal behavior in kids that got certain SSRIs - certain antidepressants - which was unexpected, but actually probably explicable because their brain is not in the same developmental state."

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-Dr. Frances Yensen-
Chair of the Department of Neurology in the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania

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Interview: Frances Jensen On The Teenage Brain : Shots - Health News : NPR

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Tim Murphy has no business having anything to do with forcing children on anything, much less psychotropic drugs. And everybody agrees that the withdraw effects of SSRIs are dangerous (even Dr. Bregin urges extreme caution during the much-needed ceasing of the drugs)Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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Millions of Americans suffer from depression, anxiety, and other mental health conditions. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) can improve a wide variety of these conditions and, as a result, are commonly prescribed. SSRIs work by blocking a receptor in brain cells that reabsorb the chemical serotonin, thereby more of this chemical available to "amplify" its ability to send messages between nerve cells. Brain circuits that "run" on serotonin messaging are known to influence mood, but the exact way SSRIs improve depression isn't clear.

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Commonly prescribed SSRIs include:

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Prozac
Celexa
Luvox
Zoloft
Paxil
Lexapro
Viibryd (an SSRI and 5HT1A receptor partial agonist)
Brintellix (an SSRI that also targets several other serotonin receptors)

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SSRIs: Uses, Side-Effects, and Cessation

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The issues around psychotropic medication might qualify as the scientific fraud of our time. There is literally example after example of the mainstream practitioners and experts engaging in scientific fraud.

Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

It needs to be pointed out that there are 2 very different historical narratives to the psychiatry issue. The mainstream version is a narrative that centers around the "glorious present" via the wonders of medication and partly disparages the "psychology" field - albeit only when it is minus medication - with its talk therapies and it then represents the "dark old days." The pill and the MD ("Psychiatrist")replaced the stereotypical scholarly old Ph. D (Psychologist) who had his patients lay back in a chair and talk about their problems. This is the version that 99% of us has heard if we heard anything at all.Dr. Liebermann wrote a book and it serves as a typical example

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Psychiatry and Its Discontents

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Once, psychiatrists relied on Freud. Now, they rely on pharmaceuticals. It’s always easier to see the follies of the past than our own.
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Carol Tavris
March 9, 2015 7:11 p.m. ET

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It was an odd decision to put a couch on the cover of Shrinks, given that Jeffrey Lieberman’s book devotes many pages to explaining how Freudian psychoanalytic theory infiltrated psychiatry, nearly strangling the field to death. For that matter, it was odd to call the book Shrinks, given that the author’s goal is, in part, to redeem psychiatry from the most common epithet for the self-important charlatans believed to populate my profession.

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But then, there’s nothing untold in this story of psychiatry either. It’s a story that has been told repeatedly, usually in two parts. One is a history of effortsvariously crazy, cruel or merely misguidedattempting to help people suffering from delusions, depression, panic and other disorders. ( Elliot Valenstein’s 1986 Great and Desperate Cures was a classic telling of this tragic story.) The second is an account of modern discoveries, usually medication, that have brought psychiatry from its dark and incompetent past into a bright, new, scientifically grounded present and future. ( Peter Kramer’s 1993 Listening to Prozac was a notable example.)

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Dr. Lieberman, who was president of the American Psychiatric Association and is now chair of psychiatry at Columbia’s medical school, has a clear public-relations agenda: wresting his profession not only from the charlatans but also from the many critics, internal and external, who have skewered its pretensions to science, its efforts to create empirically sound diagnostic categories, and its reliance on the routine administration of drugs, singly or in cocktails, even for problems in living. In burnishing psychiatry’s tarnished reputation, he hopes to help eradicate the stigma of mental illness and offer hope to those who suffer from it.

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Dr. Lieberman avoids taking sides in the debate about whether medical or psychological treatments are more effective. He regards antidepressants and antipsychotics as lifesavers and exults in their successes, offering numerous case studies to illustrate. He offers no case studies of their failures or potentially deleterious side effects. But he is fair about the benefits of talk therapies, especially the forms of cognitive behavior therapy (CBT) pioneered by Aaron Beck. Empirically validated psychotherapies such as CBT have come a long way from psychoanalysis, which Dr. Lieberman subjects to a withering critique.

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Book Review: ‘Shrinks’ by Jeffery A. Lieberman with Ogi Ogas - WSJ

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The alternative historical view, which is highly critical of medication, has a historical narrative that is quite a different world (to say the least).Dr. Liebermann was responsible for helping to continue the ever enduring lie that "atypical" antipsychotic drugs, like Zyprexa, do not shrink brain cells (infact most psychiatrists, to this day, claim it builds brain cells) through conniving studies he ran at Harvard Medical School. He ran a study in the mid aughts which looked at brain scans of 3 different types of people. He took so called "healthy" people (those not diagnosed with mental illness) and put them on nothing. He took "ill patients" (those diagnosed with an illness) and put one group on a "typical" antipsychotic (which is known to shrink the brain tremendously, though doctors don't report it to their patients they prescribe them to) and another "ill" group he put on "atypical" antipsychotics. The results showed significant brain shrinkage (2% after 2 years)for the "ill" on a typical antipsychotic. Almost no brain shrinkage for the "healthy" group (albeit with no medication!), and about 0.5% -1% shrinkage for those on the "atypical" antipsychotic.Liebermann then claimed that the results showed that the mental illness was what caused the brain shrinkage and that "atypical" drugs like Zyprexa reverse the shrinkage or at least don't shrink brain cells. What the doctors say when asked is the same conclusion Liebermann drew from his fraudulent study.Needless to say, newer studies done in the 10 years since Liebermann's study was released show that "healthy" people would have brain shrinkage too if only their brain was scanned when on "atypical" antipsychotics. Just as the critics have long insisted.But on the issue of the depressants (which aren't anywhere near as health ruining as antipsychotic medications IMO) SSRIs, it should be stated that the children guinea pigs were on it for years until any studies showed "positive results" (compared to placebo). As recent as 1996 there was unanimous data showing no improvement verses placebo.

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Journal of Nervous Diseases
1996
vol. 184 no. 2
Rhoda L Fisher
Seymour Fisher
Antidepressants For Children

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Despite unanimous literature of double-blind studies indicating that antidepressants are no more effective than placebos in treating depression in children and adolescents, such medications continue to be in wide use

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1997 studies started to show improvement over placebo (Bregin always points out that the percentage "improvement" looks far less impressive when one looks at those who don't respond to either placebo or medication).

Follow this link then click on link there. My link (above) only gives first paragraph then you need to register.dr liebermann wall street journal book review - SearchHere is a google link to follow discussion of my 1996 journal quote.Google

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In this national level study, the authors looked at data covering the entire population of Sweden aged fifteen or over (7,917,854 people) over a three year period. They looked specifically at the rates of certain types of charged and prosecuted criminal activity, the diagnosis of a range of mental health conditions, the prescription of SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors — antidepressants) and other psychiatric medications, and demographic data.

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The aim of the study was to probe further into the poorly established relationship between SSRIs and violent crimes, which to date has been mostly founded on individual cases or as an extrapolation of concerns about SSRIs and suicidality. Such associations, as the authors point out, do not incorporate research evidence suggesting that the prescription of SSRIs might actually prevent or reduce violent activity.

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The two main findings, in the views of the authors, are:

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A lack of a significant relationship between SSRI use and violent crime convictions in people aged 25 and older, in a very large population over several years

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A significant relationship between SSRI use and violent crime convictions in 15-24 year olds that requires further investigation in order to understand what contributes to this correlation

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- See more at: http://www.nationalelfservice.net/...uf#sthash.6sDLwSAp.dpuf -

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The site attempts to explain the findings of increased violence away.The link isn't working
Primary paperMolero Y, Lichtenstein P, Zetterqvist J, Gumpert CH, Fazel S (2015) Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors and Violent Crime: A Cohort Study. PLoS Med12(9): e1001875. doi: 10.1371/journal.pmed.1001875Here is are direct links to study and it is brand new September 2015Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors and Violent Crime: A Cohort Study | PLOS Medicine SSRI antidepressants and violent crime | Science Media CentreHere is a link to a very anti-SSRI site which predated the latest study but it is interesting to note comments.http://articles.mercola.com/...idepressant-side-effects.aspxEdited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

SSRI Antidepressants - Uses, Types, Side Effects & Lawsuits mentions the fact that 13% of pregnant mothers use SSRIs.

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Antidepressant use is on the rise in the U.S. and researchers estimate that one in 10 Americans is on this medication. Doctors are more likely to prescribe these drugs to women. One in four women in their 40s and 50s take antidepressants, and 13 percent of pregnant women take these drugs. There are several reasons why doctors recommend them. Some are for uses not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

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One of the most recent side effects that researchers linked to antidepressants is the risk of babies developing autism spectrum disorder.

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Professor Anick Brard of the University of Montreal and fellow researchers published a study in a 2015 issue of JAMA Pediatrics that showed mothers who took antidepressants while pregnant were 87 percent more likely to have a baby born with autism.

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SSRIs increased the risk by about 200 percent when taken in the second and third trimester.

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That means women who take Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil or other drug in this class have double the risk of having a baby diagnosed with autism by age 7, according to Brard.

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This is not the first study to link antidepressants SSRIs specifically to autism and other developmental problems in newborns. The FDA and three studies found a connection between these drugs and autism, CBS News reported in 2011. But, this latest study was based on a larger study group of almost 150,000.

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Wikipedia says this

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Pregnancy and breastfeeding[edit]

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SSRI use in pregnancy has been associated with a variety of risks with varying degrees of proof of causation. As depression is independently associated with negative pregnancy outcomes, determining the extent to which observed associations between antidepressant use and specific adverse outcomes reflects a causative relationship has been difficult in some cases.[77] In other cases, the attribution of adverse outcomes to antidepressant exposure seems fairly clear.

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SSRI use in pregnancy is associated with an increased risk of spontaneous abortion of about 1.7-fold.[78][79]

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A systematic review of the risk of major birth defects in antidepressant-exposed pregnancies found a small increase (3% to 24%) in the risk of major malformations and a risk of cardiovascular birth defects that did not differ from non-exposed pregnancies.[80] A study of fluoxetine-exposed pregnancies found a 12% increase in the risk of major malformations that just missed statistical significance.[81] Other studies have found an increased risk of cardiovascular birth defects among depressed mothers not undergoing SSRI treatment, suggesting the possibility of ascertainment bias, e.g. that worried mothers may pursue more aggressive testing of their infants.[82] Another study found no increase in cardiovascular birth defects and a 27% increased risk of major malformations in SSRI exposed pregnancies.[79]

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The FDA issued a statement on July 19, 2006 stating nursing mothers on SSRIs must discuss treatment with their physicians. However, the medical literature on the safety of SSRIs has determined that some SSRIs like Sertraline and Paroxetine are considered safe for breastfeeding.[83][84][85]

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Maternal SSRI use may be associated with autism,[86] however, a large cohort study published in 2013 found no significant association between SSRI use and autism in offspring.[87]
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Here is a impressive blog (from Jan 3) that I just saw, and this is what motivated me to share this autism issue here. I wasn't sure if I was going to mention it previous to seeing this blog.

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Adam C. Urato, MD January 3, 2016
Recently, another study was published showing that SSRI antidepressant use during pregnancy is associated with increased rates of autism in the children. By my count, this is now the tenth study on this topic all of which found links between SSRI antidepressant use in pregnancy and autism in the offspring. Most of these studies were recently reviewed, and also concluded that SSRI antidepressant use during pregnancy is associated with autism in the children.

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So we now have numerous studies in different human populations all showing a link between SSRI use in pregnancy and autism in the children. Yet, much of the news and blogosphere focus on casting doubts about these findings. What is going on here?

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Depressed pregnant women should not be ignored

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I am deeply concerned about the effects that the SSRI chemicals have on the developing fetal brain. But, let me start by making it perfectly clear that my concerns about the effects that SSRIs have on the developing fetal brain are in no way a call to ignore depression in pregnant women or to tell them what to do. I counsel pregnant women every day in the hospital where I was born and in the community I grew up in. Many of them stay on their antidepressants. Some of them wean off. My experience has taught me a few things.

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First off, depressed pregnant women need good treatment and care. This treatment can be with non-drug approaches such as psychotherapy or exercise or with medications. But, whatever treatment approach they choose, depressed pregnant women should not be ignored. Secondly, I don’t think anyone should be telling pregnant women what to do. The key is to provide them with the best available information that the scientific studies are showing and let them decide what is best for themselves. They should then be supported in their decision and continue to be given excellent care. Knowledge is power and we need to empower women in this area.

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Currently, pregnant women and the public aren’t getting full information
The truth about antidepressants and autism

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Article has hyper links. And there is much more to the article.This isn't the famous (due to a flawed single study)vaccine issue that the mainstream media never shuts up about. This is real. And it is disturbing. I decided this is a relevant issue in more ways than 1. So I am including this vaccine issue here in this thread.It's amazing that Dr. Peter Bregin got so much crap for his 1995 book. But the suicidal warnings (though constantly poo-pooed by doctors and largely ignored except to minimize as somehow an outlier result even though the evidence remains and newer studies confirm) came. Finally, years later. Here is his book from over 2 decades ago, and notice the reviews (pay attention to the dates). The book it outdated for sure, but it will go down as important history if the "truth" gets more known.
Amazon.comEdited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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Task Force: Doctors should screen all adults for depression
Liz Szabo, USA TODAY 7:29 p.m. EST January 26, 2016
Primary care doctors should screen all adults for depression, an expert panel recommended Tuesday.

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In its previous recommendation, the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, which advises the federal government on health, had recommended screening adults for depression only when mental health services were available.

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In its new report, the task force said this limitation is no longer needed, because mental health services are more widely available today than in 2009, when its last recommendations were published. Federal law now requires that private insurers cover mental health and physical conditions equally.
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I found it interesting what was said later in the article.

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Newer types of antidepressant medications, such as selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors, or SSRIs, also have risks, the task force said. SSRIs are associated with an increase in suicidal attempts in adults ages 18 to 29, as well as an increased risk of stomach or intestinal bleeding in adults over than 70.

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This backs up the big (released late in)2015 Scandinavian study I have linked to.Timothy Murphy should be removed from office. The scientific evidence impeaches him........................................................ (different issue)
(and now for something completely different)BIG DISCOVERY!This is genuinely scientific, unlike the Psychiatric industry. Please understand that not everything related to schizophrenia is fraudulent.There was also a BIG revelation on schizophrenia today. They found a "gene" that causes the brain cell destruction.Ill give links to that.

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Based on genetic analysis of some 700 deceased people and nearly 65,000 living ones, about half of them with schizophrenia, researchers found that sufferers had specific variants of a gene called complement component 4, or C4 for short.

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Mouse studies then implicated the gene in a brain process called "synaptic pruning".

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Synapses are connections between brain cells, or neurons.

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Occasional pruning is needed to remove rarely-used synapses to increase efficiency of the entire network -- a process that typically begins during adolescence.

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Excessive pruning, though, can cause problems.

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"The findings may help explain the longstanding mystery of why brains from people with schizophrenia tend to have a thinner cerebral cortex with fewer synapses than unaffected individuals do," said a press statement from the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, whose experts took part in the study.

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This is the brain's outer layer, often referred to as grey matter, involved in learning and memory

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Study suggests genetic, physiological schizophrenia cause

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I deliberately quoted the fewest words possible. But this is genuine science. It understands that lower grey matter is the common denominator in so-called schizophrenic people. And it takes a notice of one genetic cause. This is a real issue folks.Scientists use big data to discover a genetic cause for schizophrenia - ExtremeTechSchizophrenia and the Synapse | The Scientist Magazinehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/...h-dramatic-genetic-findingNot Found | WBURPage Not Found#Scientists Have Finally Found a Biological Process Behind Schizophreniahttp://news.discovery.com/...-linked-to-gene-flaw-160128.htm"Schizophrenia Gene" Discovery Sheds Light on Possible Cause - Scientific AmericanSchizophrenia's Genetic Cause May Have Just Been Foundhttp://www.thejakartapost.com/...enia-may-aid-treatment.htmlEDIT I don't plan to give any more updates like this. This is the last one. It's just 2 fairly big issues in the space of a day or 2. This space won't be treated like a blog. Feel free to discuss whatever, if you want. If nobody responds, then I won't be making any more posts.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

A big study looked at SSRIs. This was a quote from an expert professor. He was referring to the drug companies and their fraudulence with its attendant consequences.

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The drugs which reviewed were duloxetine, fluoxetine - which is also known as Prozac - paroxetine, sertraline and venlafaxine which belong to two classes, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors antidepressants (SSRIs) and serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs).

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Commenting on the findings of the review Professor Gotzsche added, "It is absolutely horrendous that they have such disregard for human lives."

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Antidepressants can raise the risk of suicide, biggest ever review finds

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The evidence keeps mounting up. Don't sit on the sidelines and let scientific fraud rule the day. Crap like this causes people to question everything medicine and science related. Lets call out the frauds and earn credibility when life saving treatment and cures/prevention(like vaccines) are called for.The endeavor of science itself is undermined in popular opinion (among the uneducated masses) when fraud like this remains.This is scientific fraud among the mainstream.Protect your respective field if you are a scientist. Expose the charlatans even if they are the dominant group in politics and have the full support of the psychiatric industry.

Goodness, you do know that a Gish Gallop on a website really is not going to help the cause you're trying to fight for?Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN MIND

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Mental Health

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The Hidden Harms of Antidepressants

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Data about the true risks of suicide and aggression for children and teens taking these drugs have been suppressed

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By Diana Kwon on May 1, 2016

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More than one in 10 Americans older than 12 takes antidepressants, according to a 2011 report by the National Center for Health Statistics. A significant but unknown number of children younger than 12 take them, too. Although most such drugs are not approved for young children, doctors have prescribed them off-label for years because they have been thought to have relatively mild side effects. Yet recent reports have revealed that important data about the safety of these drugsespecially their risks for children and adolescentshave been withheld from the medical community and the public.

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In the latest and most comprehensive analysis, published in January in the BMJ, researchers at the Nordic Cochrane Center in Copenhagen showed that pharmaceutical companies have not been revealing the full extent of serious harm in clinical study reports, which are detailed documents sent to regulatory authorities such as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the European Medicines Agency (EMA) when applying for approval of a new drug. The researchers examined reports from 70 double-blind, placebo-controlled trials of two common categories of antidepressantsselective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs)and found that the occurrence of suicidal thoughts and aggressive behavior doubled in children and adolescents who used these drugs.

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Joanna Moncrieff, a psychiatrist and researcher at University College London, said This is obviously important in the debate about school shootings in the [U.S.] and in other places where the perpetrators are frequently taking antidepressants, in the article.Its all about anti-psychotics - especially SSRIs.Interesting that a caller to C-SPAN, with guest Timothy Murphy, said the same thing YET Murphy wrote him off. Murphy likes forcing the medication and uses shootings as a cause to medicate.This is all about good science verses bad science.And lives are at stake.Lives - young and old - are on the line.Very relevant in so many ways to our future well being as a society.