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Tangle
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Message 2 of 61 (784313)
05-16-2016 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
05-16-2016 2:34 PM


It was the same when end-of-times predictions failed. Believers just carried on as though it didn't matter. In the case of JWs in the 40s, with stronger beliefs.
Apart from the apocalypse stuff which was pretty binary and as factually and obviously wrong as it's possible to be, there are also always alternative arguments which can be hung on to. It's usually quite hard to prove something absolutely wrong, not matter how weak the counter argument.
In the UK we're in the process of having a referendum on leaving the EU. Each and every statistical 'fact' has an equal and opposite rebuttal. This process allows people to 'go with their gut'. And some people's guts are pretty unpleasant.
Motivated reasoning is cute.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 4 of 61 (784317)
05-16-2016 4:00 PM


Motivated reasoning is pretty much an exact description of every post Faith has made here.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 42 of 61 (784828)
05-24-2016 2:42 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Phat
05-23-2016 4:03 PM


Re: How To Test For God
Phat writes:
What i dont as easily see is the ability to apply any facts to the existence (or nah) of God.
Well yes, that's rather the point - nobody has ever been able to point to any testable facts about god/s. Yet people believe anyway. They then use their belief to deflect any real facts that come to light that might intefere.
Faith believes in a literal bible so you see her fighting off any facts that prove it's in error which is pretty much the entire body of natural science. A better example of motivated reasoning is hard to find.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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