Facts are Overrated

Never mind. I got your message.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Cemeteries and battlefields are pretty neutral I don't recall those particular things being touched upon in our discussions. Some memorials are celebrations and statements about heroes that do not reflect reality. They were intended to serve messages and celebrations. The do not speak for us, they lie to us. In some cases they are actually state supported speech lying to us. If there is some historical content, then why isn't a museum a great place for providing that function.

Right, so apparently doing evil for monetary gain is possibly excusable on that basis. Presumably either you perceive some kind of economic necessity that justifies enslaving folks and their children in perpetuity in such a way that we should not judge folks who practiced such a thing, or you don't actually see any such thing and you are presenting a hypothetical that you cannot actual visualize yourself.We'll never agree on this. I'll move on.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

What your graphs suggest to me is that ideological bent/political affiliation is more important in reaching a conclusion than are the facts and science. I have to admit that I don't find that to be very surprising. As a person used to wonder why anyone from the lower to middle class could ever buy into trickle down economics, I am well aware of this phenomenon and I am not longer surprised by it.It may well be that it is impossible to convince much of the public of the correctness of climate science through any means.

Unless you can trace the logic behind this hypothetical in some way, I am not going to be able to answer the question. The answer would depend completely on the facts that lead to their conclusion.Here is a non hypothetical example. What if future (current) generations of North Carolina folks decided that the state based eugenics program under which undesirables (e.g. promiscuous women, rape victims, people with mental disorder, low IQs) were sterilized against their will was evil. The program was not ended until 1973 or so. In fact, legislation enacting the program was finally removed from the books in 2003.Would it be valid or invalid reasoning to not to want a state medical facility to be named after doctors who supported the program based on their support of eugenics? Would a person who requested that the medical facility not be so named, be only claiming to be offended by such naming? Should we resist listening to such claims as a matter of principle because they are PC? Would I hesitate to call any doctor who supported or promoted that program evil simply because he would not have viewed himself in that light?I'll answer the last question. I don't give a crap what said doctor thought about himself or what his peers thought about him. And I certainly would not discredit those folks during the era who also thought eugenics was heinous. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Based on what morals and ethics? Seriously if this is about you just not liking the word evil to the point that nothing is evil, then please feel free to substitute "grossly wrong on ethical and moral grounds" for each place where I've used the word evil.In my view either phrasing points to something completely unsuitable for celebration.

I did miss your point. But maybe the result is explainable.With regard to climate change, most folks on either side of the debate have not reached their conclusion after reviewing evidence, but instead rely on secondary factors like what they hear on the media about science, and secondary cues such as the fact that Al Gore who they hate believes in AGW. Those opinions might be over turnable with a relatively small effort.On the other hand, more scientifically inclined folks have a tendency to form their opinions based on more concrete items. And yes there are some items and even some science on both sides of the issue. Once these opinions are formed, attempts to persuade these folks that they are wrong have high barriers to overcome. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.