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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Look for the power supply.
[sigh] Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Tangle writes:
We all have a power supply. Look for the power supply. Edited by ringo, : No reason given.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hi Jar,
Dr. Adequate's response was a very good one because the distinctions we assign to Watson's thought as opposed to our human thought will begin to sound marginal. I once read that the difference is that humans have emotional content in the words we use, based on a life time of experiences. Computers simply assign a definition and blurts out an answer they feel is appropriate. The word "Tree" or "Apple" to Watson would have him searching the internet and his memory and he will know the correct definition and every possible reference of those words in literature and song etc.. But a human will no doubt have meaning in that word that is based on true sensory and emotional content that both spontaneous and creative. this as of yet is not in Watson's program. Edited by 1.61803, : *spelling"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
[deep sigh]
How far do you want to go with this? Ultimately I'm going to say if it's soft, squidgy, wet and messy inside and tries to bite you when you open its lid, it's natural. Everything else is artificial so we know. That definition will work for the remainder of my natural life. After that, it's going to get properly difficult.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
That's exactly the point. We're not talking about "natural" or "artificial". We're talking about consciousness, awareness, responsiveness, sentience. Is there any way to tell "natural" consciousness from "artificial" consciousness? What do "natural" and "artificial" even mean in the context of consciousness?"
How far do you want to go with this?
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
golden writes: But a human will no doubt have meaning in that word that is based on true sensory and emotional content that both spontaneous and creative. this as of yet is not in Watson's program. Isn't it? Since Watson now has vision as well as hearing are they not sensory inputs? I pulled sentience out as separate from consciousness since the question or "emotion" or "Feeling" is somewhat different. I've know quite a few people who seem to lack feelings in certain circumstances yet I never doubted they were conscious. There is also the question of whether or not Watson should be considered as alive but that I think should await a decision on consciousness. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
ringo writes: That's exactly the point. We're not talking about "natural" or "artificial". Yes we are. If we didn't care whether there was a difference between ourselves (natural) and something that we make (artificial), we wouldn't be having the conversation.
We're talking about consciousness, awareness, responsiveness, sentience. Is there any way to tell "natural" consciousness from "artificial" consciousness? Yes. We look inside the box.
What do "natural" and "artificial" even mean in the context of consciousness?" No one knows. No one even knows what consciousness is. Next question.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Tangle writes:
Ultimately I'm going to say if it's soft, squidgy, wet and messy inside and tries to bite you when you open its lid, it's natural. Everything else is artificial so we know. That definition will work for the remainder of my natural life. After that, it's going to get properly difficult. Ah, I see. So you are planning on getting "vastened", as described in Frederik Pohl's Heechee Saga books.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Is IBM's Watson conscious?
No.
Is it aware, alert, responsive?
That depends on what you mean by those questions.
Is is sentient? Can it feel?
No.
Is sentience necessary to being conscious?
I think it is necessary.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Is sentience necessary to being conscious?
I think it is necessary. I'd put it the other way: Consciousness is necessary to being sentient. Sentience > Consciousness
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
x writes: Ah, I see. So you are planning on getting "vastened", as described in Frederik Pohl's Heechee Saga books. Not consciously.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
There is a video on Big Think that I believe can shed some light on this. It is by one of the VPs of the Watson project at IBM.
He clearly states that Watson is not sentient. In my opinion, Watson is an advanced machine with advanced parsing algorithms. But it is still merely an extension of standard AI technology. For Watson to be sentient, it would need to exhibit traits that are more akin to spontaneous interest in specific pieces of data or engaging in dialog with another sentient being. It can do neither of those things, despite the fact that it has the same audio/visual input capabilities of sentient being like humans. With that being said, it is still a very impressive bit of technology. But ultimately, its capabilities are a reflection of the skill of those that created Watson versus Watson exhibiting personal development.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I wonder if Watson has any endorsements for President of the US?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1025 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
For the conversation to go anywhere we'll need some agreement on what words mean. For example, this:
Consciousness is necessary to being sentient. Sentience > Consciousness has left me a bit loss, since I'd consider sentience and consciousness to be synonyms.
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
has left me a bit loss, since I'd consider sentience and consciousness to be synonyms. Historically the two have been considered as separate, consciousness being the ability to be aware while sentience is the ability to feel. The former is more a matter of identifying and cataloging while the later is more a matter of making value judgements based on what is catalogued and identified. There is a question often brought up in studies of whether it is possible to be aware of things and still not be conscious of them. An example is that Watson can identify and catalogue which flavor ice cream sells the most but not which tastes best, which treatment regimen reports the least side effects but not which hurts less, which popular song gets played most but not which popular song sounds best.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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