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jar
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Message 4 of 22 (785274)
06-01-2016 9:33 PM


Both YEC and OEC can exist only through willful ignorance.
What he seems to have forgotten or is ignoring is the fact that both OEC and YEC can exist only so long as the individual is willfully ignorant. Both exist only so long as the individual actively denies reality. Special Creation and a literal Adam & Eve are as fully refuted as Young Earth or the Biblical Floods.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 9 of 22 (785303)
06-02-2016 7:38 AM
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06-01-2016 10:17 PM


Re: Both YEC and OEC can exist only through willful ignorance.
Resurrection too?
No idea on that one and in fact I can't really imagine anyway to even test that concept.

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jar
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Message 12 of 22 (785308)
06-02-2016 8:19 AM
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06-02-2016 8:06 AM


Re: Both YEC and OEC can exist only through willful ignorance.
Pressie writes:
Jar writes:
No idea on that one and in fact I can't really imagine anyway to even test that concept.
I can think of lots of ways to test that concept.
Great, perhaps you could start a thread on the topic but first you will have to describe which of the many concepts of Resurrection you are testing.

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jar
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Message 14 of 22 (785311)
06-02-2016 8:53 AM
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06-02-2016 8:32 AM


Re: Both YEC and OEC can exist only through willful ignorance.
Yes, "that concept". I can't even list all the various interpretations of "that concept" much less figure out a way to test them.
But it might be a fun discussion so propose the topic. But this thread is not the place to expound on the subject.

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jar
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Message 16 of 22 (785316)
06-02-2016 10:11 AM
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06-02-2016 9:37 AM


Re: Both YEC and OEC can exist only through willful ignorance.
Faith writes:
God of course considers those who deny the Flood to be the willfully ignorant:
2 Peter 3:5-6 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
Sorry but that does not support your assertion, only that the author of that passage was ignorant of much that we now know is true.
We have learned a few things in the last couple thousand years.
2 Peter is another great example of trying to compensate and make up excuses for other factual errors like the Biblical Flood stories or Exodus found in the Bible stories, particularly in this case the errors that were attributed to Jesus himself.
2 Peter was written at least thirty and perhaps as much as a century after Jesus death and it was necessary to try to market a possible even if not really plausible excuse for the absolute failure of Jesus promise to return during the lifetime of those who heard his prophecy. It's one of the earliest known examples of Apologetics.
AbE:
It is important to remember that 2 Peter is a great example of reality over scripture; of recognizing that the Bible stories are not without error and so some excuse must be created to explain the contradiction (in this case what Jesus said and the reality that He did not come back within the lifetime of those who heard Him say that) in some way that might almost stand up to examination or at least could be adopted by those who really wanted to maintain such a belief.
Reality is and always, when reality conflicts with what is written in the Bible stories it is reality that wins.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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