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Author Topic:   Dembski on Fundamentalism
NoNukes
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Message 3 of 22 (785273)
06-01-2016 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by PaulK
06-01-2016 5:20 PM


I read through the article very quickly, and I am going to do another reading later. My initial impression is that while Dembski does have some interesting observations, his reactions to people who are less conservative than he mirror the things he is complaining about regarding fundamentalists.
The other thing that came across was that the ideas he is excoriating fundamentalists for rejecting, and branding him as a heretic are pretty bizarre. Dembski knew exactly what his situation was, namely that he was an OEC surrounded by YECs who have always considered OEC theology to be Christians compromising with materialism. Why is he so surprised that presenting a theory that appears to be bending over backwards to accommodate OEC would not go over well.
There is a lot to be learned from Dembski's experience, but I think most of us wouldn't find ourselves running with that crowd or caring about their opinions of us, or even working at a place where their opinions could cost us our job.
Finally, I think Dembski himself could benefit from a little introspection.
Just my initial impression...
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NoNukes
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Message 8 of 22 (785286)
06-02-2016 2:50 AM


I made a more careful reading an I would not change much about my initial post. I could not read this particular part without reflecting on the irony it represented...
You have to understand, I did my theological education at Princeton Seminary, which was representative of the theological liberalism that to my mind had sold out the faith. The pattern that always seemed to repeat itself was that Christian institutions and denominations that had started out faithful to the Gospel eventually veered away and denied their original faith.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 19 of 22 (785327)
06-02-2016 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by PaulK
06-02-2016 8:04 AM


there has been little pushback from the ID movement or calls for academic freedom
Dembski is of course OEC. But isn't the ID movement pretty much YEC? Perhaps the explanation is that academic freedom as well as most of the ID movement is a sham as science; it is thinly veiled creationism with just enough methodology to enable writing a journal paper or two about peripheral topics.
ABE:
I was looking up articles on Dembski, and I came across this article on the Discovery Institute website. DI was very defensive of Dembski when he was having his issues at Baylor:
The Lynching of Bill Dembski | Discovery Institute
Plenty of complaining about the lack of academic freedom and even some expressions about compatibility with evolution from the DI folk. Perhaps their silence this time around is noteworthy.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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