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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
ramoss writes:
Word on the street is, As as result, all this girls are without a job. Now, they have to find another job that takes advantage of their obvious assets.H(.)(.)TERS is hiring. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Article writes: *bolding mine* The rub will be "legally armed." "If they are there in a public place, legally armed, they can argue they were using self-defense," said Susan Klein, a professor of law at the University of Texas with expertise in criminal law.I wonder how many of the 170+ bikers will be able to produce a conceal handgun lic. The other offense will be if they where carrying a firearm in a bar which is also illegal in Texas. Some may get off on the self defense claim though most likely depending on what video evidence is available. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
nutjob
Another crazy with a gun. Of course we will have the same conversations and the same arguments for and against gun control and people will still keep dying. I do not know what the answer is but this is just horrible. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Jar writes: But regulations mean nothing when they are generally ignored and in the US, ignoring regulations is rampant. Hi Jar, I do not know what regs are ignored but I do know that absolute ignorance and stupidity is rampant in the US in regards to guns. For example: Almost every day I hear about a child getting his/her hands on gun and shooting either themselves or other.Why? Ignorance and stupidity on the part of the parents or gun owner. The guy who shot all those children at the Sandyhook elementary school . He was severely mentally disturbed and his mom buys and keeps high capacity assault rifles and handguns in the house where he can get his hands on them. Ignorant and stupid. James Holmes blows away people in a movie theater in Co. Againmentally disturbed asshole getting his hands on firearms to kill innocent people. wtf? We can not un-invent the wheel, guns are here to stay. Even if there was a massive crackdown on them, even if another gun was never manufactured in this country zillions of guns exist and other zillions would be imported. Limiting ammo again would only deter the easily deterred. What we need is a cultural revolution in regards to guns. Guns are a fascination for us Americans. We simply love our guns, so much so we are willing to suffer the consequences of the gun related deaths brought about from a ignorant/stupid armed society."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
It is ironic that the mindset about why one carrys or owns a guns is sometimes a self fulfilling prophecy. I am sure no one wakes up and says today my kid will accidentally blow his head off with my loaded fire arm that I purchased to protect him with.
If one owns a gun then they carry the responsibility of having a device that can cause instantaneous death. It does not matter what, where, who, or when or why. That gun can and will kill if it is employed on target either on purpose or not. Perhaps that is part of the allure of gun ownership. It makes the owner instantly powerful. But one does not need a gun to kill. It was William Burroughs that said, " No one owns life, but anyone who can pick up a frying pan owns death." Im going to watch that PBS special you mentioned. Regards."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Hello Catholic Scientist.
CatSci writes: An armed populous ups the ante to the point where the government doesn't want to play the game of tyranny. Perhaps, but what about modern civilized countries that do not have the same allowances for armed citizens. Is there any instances anywhere that shows the need for the citizens to be armed in order to protect against this tyranny of which you speak? Is there a problems of the Japanese government stamping out the rights of their citizens, or Britain, New Zealand? Is this the fear of being unarmed and hence unable to stem off a government that will begin a unprecedented stomp fest on it's citizens rights? Or is it more likely a unfounded conservative conspiracy paranoia that fuels such fears? Just curious. Edited by 1.61803, : Replaced the word "does" with "is""You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Percy writes: What you mean, "We?" Heh, I meant Mr. Walther PPK in my pocket and I. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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vimesey writes: I'll just call you on it and remind you that a happy, modern, law abiding democracy doesn't need guns. Just the pubs. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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I am a gun owner.
I keep my guns locked in a safe when I am not around them. Background checks for all gun purchases. YES A central database for gun purchases. YES Expanding the ATF's capabilities. Not sure. Research into gun safety (Berlow didn't mention this one, but it's another known NRA position) YES. The NRA does not speak for me. They are idiots."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Well, obviously guns are more effective weapons. What's your point? Perhaps, but here is what the trusty sword has going for it. Swords do not need ammo.They have no moving parts to fail They are impervious to the elements ie: mud,sand,water,temperature fluctuations * They do not require great skill to hack someone to death with They have been killing people in mass for thousands of years The massacre in Rwanda showed what can be done with a machete and a motivated group with murder on they're mind. The sword; efficiently killing folks in mass since the iron age.Heh do I sound like a sword salesman? Edited by 1.61803, : added* Edited by 1.61803, : spelling Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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The first thing the Army taught me when shooting was aim for center mass.
Regardless of caliber if you miss your target you will not kill it. Pistols are the most ineffective guns to use to kill folks.That's why there are long guns. Its all about the physics. More ft/lbs =more lethal. Add more weight and more velocity and you get even more ft/lbs. I think the high capacity assault guns are bad to have available to the general public. They allow the perp to have large volumes of ammunition they can carry, very high capacity to keep from having to reload and the destructiveness of a rifle round that will inflict devastating wounds on humans. Easy to fire and maintain high cyclic fire. Which is why the Military has adopted them."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs |
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
quote: Albeit very carefully treading detractors. The last thing anyone at that time wanted was a visit from the Gestapo about voicing anything other than admiration and fervent loyalty. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Very tragic and sad.
I am a gun owner and feel that if anyone wants a assault rifle they should be scrutinized.When I was in the Army I will never forget bayonet training. The Drill instructed shouted "What is the purpose of the bayonet?" We would in unison scream, " TO KILL DRILL SARGENT, TO KILL!!" What is the purpose of the AR15? Of course to kill humans. It was designed to kill humans in large numbers and should be banned to anyone who can not pass a extensive background check or is on any no fly list. I also think if you are a lunatic or have a lunatic in your house hold you should not be allowed to own one. And while we are at it I think if you do buy one you should be required to register it with the ATF. There are plenty of law abiding citizens who shoot AR15 and they should have no problem with a little additional common sense regulations. With great power comes great responsibility. The NRA are now going to say if someone in the crowd had a AR15 the death count would be lower. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Hi Diomedes, yes guns designed to kill but a AR was specifically developed to kill humans. My Winchester pump was designed to shoot game birds but of course packed with 00 buckshot will do some extensive damage to people. My point is I can justify my shot gun as a hunting implement where a AR15 has no such distinction no matter how hard the NRA and gunnuts want to tout it as a game getter/recreational firearm. I do not own a AR15 nor do I have any desire to own one. What does anyone need a AR15 for? To defend you house? Really? You'll end up killing your neighbor and innocent bystanders as well. Do you need it because you want to go deer hunting with it? Isnt that what a deer rifle is for? Do you want it because you want to go to the range and pretend you are some kind of LEO or Military sniper? Just why does someone want a AR15? If someone wants one it will behoove our law enforcement to find out why and what they want it for and who they are and where they live and what ties they may or may not have to terrorist and also whether or not they are playing with a full deck. Whether or not they are on any kind of no fly list or watch list. No one is saying someone can not buy one and keep and bear arms. But if someone wants to keep and bear a arsenal they should expect a little extra scrutiny imo.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
The idea that anybody can own these sort of weapons is utterly bizarre - you've normalised an insanity.
Brother you haven't seen the half of it until you've been to a Texas gun show."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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