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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
From reading (sometimes between the lines) it seems that the whole idea of reduction of genetic diversity comes from the religious idea of "the fall."
It is believed by some that Adam originally had perfect DNA, and sin (original sin) introduced corruption, reduction, or some such defects. As a result succeeding generations had less perfect DNA. This seems to be at least a part of what Faith is relying on for her posts about reduced genetic diversity. That this is believed to have been going on only for some 6,000 years explains why that continual reduction has not resulted in the extinction of mankind. I think this also explains Faith's reluctance to accept increased diversity through mutations, particularly beneficial mutations. Given all of this, I fearlessly predict that your efforts to include numerical analyses and rational explanations will fail, as you are using evidence and logic to try and change a religious belief. We'll see if, after a few hundred posts, this fearless prediction comes to pass...Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. |
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Give up on the radiometric dating and it's all guesswork.
Oetzi has been dated by radiocarbon to between 3350 and 3100 BC. You say "I don't believe Oetzi is that old" and that it is all guesswork? May I suggest that 1) you don't know anything useful about radiocarbon dating, and that 2) you are basing everything on a religious belief, but that 3) you have to try to invoke science to convince yourself and others that your religious beliefs are accurate. So, if you disagree lets hear the technical details about why radiocarbon dating is "guesswork." (But be careful--those creationist sites will lie to you.)Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Since Adam and Eve were mentioned, and the nonsense of "original sin" and "the fall" were implied, some thoughts:
A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man’s nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code. Adam and Eve are fictional characters, and the implications of various claims as to genetic depletion are also fictional.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
quote: It does not pay a prophet to be too specific. L. Sprague de CampReligious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
it's ALL theory, ALL assumption... In science, if not in creation "science," theory and assumption are two different things entirely. The fact that you use them interchangeably does not make it so. Here are some definitions, for about the 10th time:
If you misuse scientific terms you only engender confusion, and derision.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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