Free will vs Omniscience

Does that sound like Anybody you know?

Not really.

Doesn't, "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God," sound like belittling to you?

in order for God to be truly great, it only makes sense that everyone else pales by comparison. You want to have the same abilities as god has without having earned nor learned them..

On the contrary, I just want to be left alone to use the abilities I have as I see fit, without the threat of eternal damnation.

OK, so this in essence proves my assertion that I made to Theodoric. This whole idea of "wanting to be left alone" seems to me to be a common theme among the two categories that Theodoric brought up. Seems you have this irrational idea that even if god existed he would likely be mean and demanding...thus why not just leave humans alone to responsibly evolve into their own destiny?

Wanting to be left alone is not the same as preferring that there was no God. I also want you gun-toting Americans to leave me alone. That doesn't mean I'd prefer that you didn't exist. I just want you to keep your violence away from me. It isn't my idea. I'm just going by your description.

I can see where you would rationally conclude that you had more common sense and wisdom than any given "gun-toting" American. To assume that you have more wisdom at running your own life than a Creator of all seen and unseen...however....is hubris at best.You can easily reject a God improperly described and defined by others. What you would be wise not to do, however, is to reject the actual GOD...What makes you think that humans can get along better without GOD?Seems to me your only evidence comes from other fallible and imperfect humans.

Try reading your last sentence again.Seems to me your only evidence comes from other fallible and imperfect humans.

I suppose that could be considered a tad ironic! For me personally, I dont count on evidence...I favor subjective experience. I also gather subjective experience of other humans....so i suppose I'm as guilty as i accuse ringo of being.

Why? If there was intelligent life in the universe even slightly more advanced that us, would you think they could determine our interests better than we can ourselves? They'd be more likely to exterminate us like Indians and take our resources. I just consider not being eternally incinerated "better". Call me crazy.

Which supports the argument that all life in general is at its core selfish. The whole point of the Bible story is not that of a GOD who incinerates us. (unless you are again being the public defender for satan and the fallen rebellious.)

Incinerates us, floods us, lets us be enslaved by the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Romans, and on and on. You seem to be snipping out a lot of the Bible to determine the "whole" point.

In each of the examples you mention, the people brought it upon themselves. They were either disobedient, worshiping idols, or flat out evil. Care to comment?Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

I just want to be disobedient. Am I destined for hell?