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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I would tend to think that atheists not only have no belief, they would claim that everyone elses belief is a product of their imagination.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Based on the evidence (or the lack thereof), what would you say is the most creative known force in the universe?
Edited by Phat, : fixed quoteChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
All they are saying is that the possibility of God has not been ruled out---whereas you think evidence is everything and that God is likely an impossibility.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: I respect that! I don't believe there is a god. I don't know whether there is or not but I see no evidence for one. So I've concluded there isn't one pending contradictory information. I can't know, but I can believe or not believe. I think it would be helpful, however, for us all to come to some sort of consensus on the definition of the thing we do or do not believe in.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
quote: Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I always like your definition...The Creator Of All Seen And Unseen. That sums up my belief, also.
Where we usually disagreed is that I believed that God had a soft spot for humans over pond scum and other less complex living organisms...whereas you never limited your belief in GOD to be exclusively for mankind. Edited by Phat, : addedChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
To reiterate, atheism is not a belief system. It is merely a response to a claim. In the same way that theism alone is also not a belief system. It is also a response to a claim. Believers would assert that without faith it is impossible to please God.Atheists may well assert that without evidence it is impossible to prove God. perhaps some key questions to ask:
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
According to the all-powerful Yahoo! Answers:
quote:"I can't believe you said that!" is disbelief. In this particular example, you know it's true but you still "can't believe". Not believing in Odin is nonbelief. You can believe in Ganesh and non-believe in Odin at the same time. What you're describing is more like unbelief: Unbelievers believe that God un-exists. I personally don't believe that any gods exist but I don't self-identify as an atheist. I self-identify as an agnostic. I have no active unbelief. Do you personally feel as if evidence would persuade you or others or are you more of the camp that prefers not to believe for reasons other than evidence?(Personal preference, perhaps) There are some who would prefer that there be no God. There are others who wish fervently that it were so. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
good point. Sometimes we forget to consider how others might think. Not everyone thinks alike by any means.
If I read a story of fiction, I may acknowledge that some of the characters believe certain ways about certain elements of the story but this in and of itself does not mean I share the belief(s) that the characters in the story express. If I personally have a belief about God or about some element or thing that cannot be objectively proven or evidenced (hence belief) I cannot expect others to share my belief or even to understand it beyond acknowledgement of it.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
"Only natural beings exist on this planet and none of the extra-things that anybody may come up with are going to be real. None of them exist. Disbelieve them all, son, and go and spread this truth. There are no hidden beings around us." I respectfully disagree with this assessment though in regards to strict objective evidence I cannot refute it. So I'll leave it alone and allow you the same right to your belief as you allow me my right to mine. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I dont have any specific examples...I just know that I talk to a lot of people...and they dont want to know God...or at least the god I market.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric writes: To start with, insulting you is the least of my worries. We are on a debate board and we often challenge each other, often aggressively. You yourself made a comment that I might be finally "getting it" when not two sentences later you tell me to stop speculating on your beliefs without knowing. So get over it. Please stop trying to impute the feelings of people that have a different view of the supernatural than you do. It is extremely insulting.I could just as easily say you believe in a god, because you are incapable of taking personal responsibility. Or that you fear the unknown so you are willing to believe anything. I would be wrong though, because I have no idea why you have the faith you do. So quit telling other people why they believe what they believe. It is insulting. As to your feelings and beliefs I can honestly say that I don't know them. I DO know that you are of above average intelligence and education and that you have studied the bible before. I can guess that you believe that the book was inspired solely by humans and not by God or some external force. Therefore if i quote scriptures to you they will only be reflections of what I believe. You are right about a few things, however... IMHO.
Theodoric writes: In my opinion this is truth. Paul tells us in Romans, however, that No-belief is actually the default. quote:I realize that quoting scriptures is unimpressive and unconvincing to some. Need I name them specifically? No. I understand that people have different views. We all have had different experiences and have been taught and/or influenced differently as well. One thing that I strongly believe is that God understands the uniqueness and differences in individuals and if He wants to reach them he shall do so. Even if the Bible as written was symbolic and was a communication from humans to humans, there is much that can be learned. Many of the old ideas such as idolatry are to be found in a modern day context. Just go to a car show! I would enjoy an argument as to whether people in the modern age still worship and idolize things (and people..(SI swimsuit edition as prime example) without even necessarily believing that they are doing so. Of course this is all my opinion. You may well have different beliefs or world views. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
quote:Thats evil. You don't strike me as quite that mean, however..Tangle. After all, what harm can believers cause that would inspire us to try and make fewer of them?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Do you mean those people who are so sure of their "answers" that they dare not question them? If so I agree that asking questions is always a good trait.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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Stile writes: With Santa Claus, we have a likely location on earth. You cant know that something or someone is not there until you can establish where there is. If it's not rational to say you "know there is no god..." is it ever rational to say you "know there is no Santa Claus...?"Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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