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Tangle
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Message 93 of 887 (786621)
06-24-2016 2:12 AM


Unbelievable idiocy. I feel sick.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 96 of 887 (786634)
06-24-2016 5:40 AM


The old and stupid outnumber the young and the clever - but idiot Cameron still asked them the question. What a total fucking dickhead.
I feel like a friend has died - very weird feeling.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 103 of 887 (786657)
06-24-2016 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Diomedes
06-24-2016 10:00 AM


Diomedes writes:
Could they have indicated that there would need to be a 60% requirement?
Technically probably, but it would have been seen as rigging the result and wouldn't have satisfied those demanding the referendum.
The real stupid was calling the vote.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 105 of 887 (786668)
06-24-2016 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Diomedes
06-24-2016 12:27 PM


Re: Who is the likely successor for UK Prime Minister?
It's only Boris. The only other candidate - Gove - has said no.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 106 of 887 (786670)
06-24-2016 12:41 PM


The Rest
Sort of interesting side effects - the French and Spanish stock markets have fallen much further than the UK's.
Questions being raised about how strong the EU actually is.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 112 of 887 (786705)
06-25-2016 9:56 AM


Regrexit
There a huge amount of regret around atm. People saying that they didn't think it would actually happen and theirs was only a protest vote. Dickheads.
It turns out that 73% of 18-25 years olds voted remain but only 29% of them bothered to vote.
I suspect that if we had the vote again today, remain would win by a large majority.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

  
Tangle
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Message 122 of 887 (786800)
06-27-2016 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by ringo
06-27-2016 1:14 PM


Re: Tribalism
ringo writes:
Conversely, if the EU considers Britain such a valuable partner, isn't it likely that they'll negotiate a new partnership that is beneficial to both sides?
It's a difficult calculation. On the one hand they need the UK as a trading partner, on the other hand if they are open to a compromise they invite other states to leave too.
The way it's sounding is that they'll be open to a free trade deal - at a price, but free movement of people may be something they won't give way on. Our side seems to be softening on that last - which is outrageous. Boris will find his head on a spike at Tower Hill if he's not very careful.
But it's not even started yet.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 131 of 887 (786911)
06-29-2016 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by jar
06-29-2016 10:47 AM


Re: The Important stuff.
Jar writes:
So enough of the irrelevancies; what about the important stuff.
Does this mean that in the future UK teams will not be eligible to play in the Euro?
Will it mean UK golfers will not be eligible to play in the Ryder Cup series?
We're still part of Europe - there hasn't been any movement of tectonic pates.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 136 of 887 (786984)
06-30-2016 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Theodoric
06-30-2016 10:36 AM


Re: Boris isn't running to be PM
He's a despicable toerag - at best.
He's the general that took his troops into battle and then deserted before the first shot was fired.
Then there's the slimeball Gove who flatly denied wanting the job and even not being capable of it - 5 times, once a couple of weeks ago.
There are lots of other folk, including in the cabinet, who could easily be prime minister. I’m not one of them. I could not be prime minister. I’m not equipped to be prime minister. I don’t want to be prime minister. October 2012
Barring a miracle, we're fucked.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 141 of 887 (787019)
07-01-2016 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Pressie
07-01-2016 7:25 AM


Re: Boris isn't running to be PM
She's not anti-science or scientist - or anti-student. But we did have a problem with foreign 'students' coming here to 'study' at fake universities and never going home. She had to tighten up on that. It's just a visa thing really.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 143 of 887 (787029)
07-01-2016 9:16 AM
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07-01-2016 8:43 AM


Re: Boris isn't running to be PM
Pressie writes:
Then tighten up on fake universities.
She did.
Not students.
She didn't tighten up on students - other than the fake ones, but she is trying to enforce student visas. They're allowed here to study here on a visa, once their student days are over, they're supposed to go home. A lot weren't doing that. If they want to stay they need another visa - it's fair enough and no different from anywhere else.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 145 of 887 (787033)
07-01-2016 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Pressie
07-01-2016 9:42 AM


Re: Boris isn't running to be PM
pressie writes:
Not really. Fake universities are still operating all over the UK. With their fake students, too.
I'm sure there are.
Similarly having laws, courts, prisons and a police force hasn't totally stopped crime.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 148 of 887 (787073)
07-03-2016 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Pressie
07-03-2016 7:32 AM


Re: Boris isn't running to be PM
S'ok.
Studying here doesn't give you rights to remain after - that's always been the case, it's just that it's only fairly recently begun being really enforced. I suspect it's the same in most countries. If an EU citizen comes here to study, they can stay as long as they like of course - but that too will now change.
A bigger threat to universities from Brexit is the European grants which will no longer be available. Europe funds a very large amount of research in the UK.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 150 of 887 (787084)
07-03-2016 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Pressie
07-03-2016 8:57 AM


Re: Boris isn't running to be PM
Pressie writes:
So, it's not so recently.
It pretty much always been so. But it's only recently that we've been doing anything about those that overstayed their visas. We had no way of 'counting them in and counting them out'.
You need a visa to study here and a visa to work here - it'll be the same in SA I guess? It is in most countries.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 156 of 887 (787114)
07-04-2016 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Dr Jack
07-04-2016 7:17 AM


Re: Boris isn't running to be PM
Jack writes:
This is wrong. There used to be a two year right to stay when your study visa expired. It was abolished in 2012 and led to instant and huge reduction in Indian students coming to the UK.
That doesn't seem to correlate to Pressie's experience. But in any case, curtailing that right is reasonable if you feel that immigration has become a problem.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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