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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
It's a difficult calculation. On the one hand they need the UK as a trading partner, on the other hand if they are open to a compromise they invite other states to leave too. That's the big chess game right now. The EU leadership is fully aware of the fact that other countries are watching this carefully, wondering about the feasibility of their own referendums.
The way it's sounding is that they'll be open to a free trade deal - at a price, but free movement of people may be something they won't give way on. Our side seems to be softening on that last - which is outrageous. I think the UK conservatives would be crucified if they suddenly started to go lax on movement of people, since immigration control was the primary reason stipulated from the Leave camp. The big issue we have now is several bombastic politicians both in the UK and in the EU that will be more concerned about saving face and maintaining power as opposed to doing what's right. That's politics for you. The big issue globally is the uncertainty. The longer this drags on, the worse things will get.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Brexit Leader Boris Johnson Rules Out Bid To Be Next British Prime Minister | HuffPost The WorldPost
quote: Well that is a bit of a shock. I wonder if Boris was never expecting Leave to win and now that it has, he doesn't want to be at the helm. Probably realizing how rocky the waters will be moving forward.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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He's the general that took his troops into battle and then deserted before the first shot was fired. Then there's the slimeball Gove who flatly denied wanting the job and even not being capable of it - 5 times, once a couple of weeks ago. Looks like the name they are passing around now is Theresa May. No idea who that is. Mind you, I am an ignorant American. BBC is now saying it could be a five way race: Michael Gove and Theresa May head five-way Conservative race - BBC News
quote: I say to whomever is running: the easiest way to clinch this is to make hats that say 'Make the UK Great Again' and promise to rebuild Hadrian's Wall. Just remember: the wall has to be UUUUGE!!
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Nigel Farage to quit as UKIP leader in wake of 'Brexit' vote | CNN
quote: First Boris. And now Nigel. The two main proponents of Brexit now seem to be distancing themselves from the aftermath of the vote. Am I the only one that seems to be getting the impression that neither of them thought that this vote would go their way? And now that it has, they appear to be running for the exits.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Well, no surprise. Scotland's Nicola Sturgeon (of the SNP) is now pushing forward talks on a second independence referendum:
SNP's Nicola Sturgeon announces new independence referendum bill - BBC News With Brexit now reality and it appears the new Prime Minister is moving forward with it, Scotland is going to attempt to separate itself from the UK. I am curious how this will play out. It was 55-45 to stay in the last referendum prior to Brexit. But with Scotland wanting to remain in the EU, as evidenced by the way they voted on Brexit, I wonder if they will now be able to swing those 10% of voters to the other side. Curious what those of you in the UK are hearing on the ground over there.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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That is something I wish many of my fellow citizens here in the US would understand. Not only do immigrants grow the economy, they also help to stabilize social programs for the elderly baby boomers. When you have more pensioners than workers it won't be pretty. Everybody is aware of that. And the USA was the country that used to exemplify that philosophy. "give us your tired huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and so forth. So why has that philosophy changed? Two reasons: 1) Previous immigrants were mostly white, so that was considered 'acceptable' by most. Now that many appear 'different', the racist douchebags in our country have rallied behind a con man to try to make immigration stop. Which is ironic since The Donald isn't white: he's orange. 2) The corporate big wigs who have been systematically destroying the middle class of this country to line their own pockets have been using rhetoric to divert attention away from their scheme. And they do so by blaming the immigrants, who are 'stealing American jobs'. Because the Mexican family picking fruit in the field took your manufacturing job away and moved it to China.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Nicola Sturgeon, the PM of Scotland is calling for a new referendum on Scottish independence.
http://www.bbc.com/...uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39255181
quote: I think all the dialog around a potential 'hard Brexit' are likely driving this.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Nope, her political oportunism is driving it. Naturally. She is a politician after-all.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Main question now is what Theresa May will do.
Ultimately, she has to approve another referendum. She could technically say 'no' but being brusque about it may not go over well with the Scottish people. If she says 'yes', she may push for a timeframe that would have the independence vote occur after all the machinations from Brexit are completed. Will be curious to see how that will play out.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Theresa May has made it official. Article 50 will be triggered on March 29th.
Article 50: Theresa May to trigger Brexit process next week - BBC News And here come the political wranglings.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...03-9d616bd5a305_story.html
quote: Interesting gambit. I am guessing she is hoping the results solidify her position.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/...table-than-anyone-expected Considering the outcome of other recent elections, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this stage.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Just started watching the early exit polling and it appears to show that the Conservatives will not be reaching the necessary number of seats for a majority.
The other big shocker is the SNP is projected to lose a huge number of seats in Scotland. Latest details are here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/...7c-42ab5745db2e_story.html Honestly a bit mystifying at this stage. Seems like no election is easy to predict anymore. Wonder if Theresa May will survive as leader of the Conservatives if this goes south for her.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Maybe the youth vote actually turned up this time. Ironically, I just heard on Bloomberg that their data shows that the youth turnout was higher this time around. Looking at projections now, it still shows the Conservatives losing their majority. But still time for a turnaround.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
And it seems that it will be a Conservative/Democratic Union Party government. I really doubt that was what the people of the UK had in mind. That does appear likely with the outcome of the election. I don't know much about the party, but it appears they are from the same camp as UKIP. Euro-skeptics and also reminiscent of the Tea Party on this side of the Atlantic. I haven't been privy to the machinations of this election, but I have to admit I am quite surprised by the outcome. I honestly don't know why there was such a backlash against May and the Conservatives when polls showed them with a commanding lead just six weeks ago. Many pundits said she ran a terrible campaign (Hillary 2.0?) but I would have thought things like the recent attacks in England would have actually galvanized her position. And what happened to the SNP? They were slaughtered last night.
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