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Message 346 of 348 (786794)
06-27-2016 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by Stile
06-27-2016 11:14 AM


Stile writes:

If we have reports on where something should be, how it should act... and we check those places and the consequences we should find, and nothing is ever found... over and over and over...


But we do find Santa Claus. We find him so ubiquitously that the only rational position is to by a polysantaclausist.
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Message 347 of 348 (786833)
06-27-2016 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by Stile
06-27-2016 11:14 AM


I think it is rational to say we have no evidence of such a thing. But I don't think I can know there is no supernatural. I have no knowledge there is not a god. I do have knowledge that there is no evidence for such a thing.

Semantics? Hair splitting? Maybe.

As for Santa Claus we can look at the literary and historical record to show its origins. So that is direct knowledge we have. Also, we know he does not visit our houses on Christmas.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 348 of 348 (786844)
06-28-2016 9:58 AM
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06-27-2016 11:32 PM


Theodoric writes:

Semantics? Hair splitting? Maybe.

Yeah, on second thought, that's probably all my point comes down to.
Agreed upon definitions of "knowledge" and "rational" and such would probably clear it all up just fine.

As for Santa Claus we can look at the literary and historical record to show its origins. So that is direct knowledge we have. Also, we know he does not visit our houses on Christmas.

Agreed.
I would also say we have the same sort of direct evidence for God.
Possibly not a document from someone saying "I made God up.." But if that's the only sticking point between rationally knowing something exists or not... then I think it's on fairly shaky ground anyway.

If anyone cares to follow up on this line of thinking, this would probably be a better place to do such so as to not go too far off topic here.
Also, I love to shamelessly plug any thread I started in the past

I Know That God Does Not Exist


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