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ringo
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Message 346 of 349 (786794)
06-27-2016 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by Stile
06-27-2016 11:14 AM


Stile writes:

If we have reports on where something should be, how it should act... and we check those places and the consequences we should find, and nothing is ever found... over and over and over...


But we do find Santa Claus. We find him so ubiquitously that the only rational position is to by a polysantaclausist.
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Theodoric
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Message 347 of 349 (786833)
06-27-2016 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by Stile
06-27-2016 11:14 AM


I think it is rational to say we have no evidence of such a thing. But I don't think I can know there is no supernatural. I have no knowledge there is not a god. I do have knowledge that there is no evidence for such a thing.

Semantics? Hair splitting? Maybe.

As for Santa Claus we can look at the literary and historical record to show its origins. So that is direct knowledge we have. Also, we know he does not visit our houses on Christmas.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Stile
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Message 348 of 349 (786844)
06-28-2016 9:58 AM
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06-27-2016 11:32 PM


Theodoric writes:

Semantics? Hair splitting? Maybe.

Yeah, on second thought, that's probably all my point comes down to.
Agreed upon definitions of "knowledge" and "rational" and such would probably clear it all up just fine.

As for Santa Claus we can look at the literary and historical record to show its origins. So that is direct knowledge we have. Also, we know he does not visit our houses on Christmas.

Agreed.
I would also say we have the same sort of direct evidence for God.
Possibly not a document from someone saying "I made God up.." But if that's the only sticking point between rationally knowing something exists or not... then I think it's on fairly shaky ground anyway.

If anyone cares to follow up on this line of thinking, this would probably be a better place to do such so as to not go too far off topic here.
Also, I love to shamelessly plug any thread I started in the past

I Know That God Does Not Exist


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Message 349 of 349 (827242)
01-21-2018 10:50 AM
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06-27-2016 11:14 AM


Where To Look
Stile writes:

If it's not rational to say you "know there is no god..." is it ever rational to say you "know there is no Santa Claus...?"

With Santa Claus, we have a likely location on earth. You cant know that something or someone is not there until you can establish where there is.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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