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Author | Topic: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia's dead. The maneuvering begins! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I didn't read it here first, the Republicans are already talking about it.
Nice principles, GOP. It's not right for the President to nominate a judge when he's only got nine months' worth of mandate left, but it's fine for a lame-duck Senate to confirm one when they have no mandate at all, because ... ... because they can.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1282 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
The next Supreme Court Justice is going to be appointed by Obama, Trump or Clinton. Ball's in your court, Senate.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
The Senate isn't thinking tactically anymore. I think they are living in denial about what has transpired. And by being so strident about not accepting ANY nominee, they have backed themselves into a corner. It's a no win scenario no matter what they do.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And I'm not convinced any President would not be happy with a perpetually split SCOTUS.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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What I would honestly love to see is the Senate continue to block the nominee and be stubborn all the way until the election. And then, Clinton gets elected and the Dems take over the Senate. At that point, I hope they nominate the most left-wing, unshaven Hippie justice they can find. Would be a nice, final F U to the Republican Senate who was bitterly uncompromising until the end.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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Diomedes writes:
What I would honestly love to see is the Senate continue to block the nominee and be stubborn all the way until the election. And then, Clinton gets elected and the Dems take over the Senate. At that point, I hope they nominate the most left-wing, unshaven Hippie justice they can find. Would be a nice, final F U to the Republican Senate who was bitterly uncompromising until the end. Or Hillary nominates Barack Hussein Obama....- xongsmith, 5.7d
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Diomedes writes:
What I would honestly love to see is the Senate continue to block the nominee and be stubborn all the way until the election. And then, Clinton gets elected and the Dems take over the Senate. At that point, I hope they nominate the most left-wing, unshaven Hippie justice they can find. Would be a nice, final F U to the Republican Senate who was bitterly uncompromising until the end.
xongsmith writes: Or Hillary nominates Barack Hussein Obama.... To the GOP -- there's a difference?
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Diomedes writes: What I would honestly love to see is the Senate continue to block the nominee and be stubborn all the way until the election. And then, Clinton gets elected and the Dems take over the Senate. At that point, I hope they nominate the most left-wing, unshaven Hippie justice they can find. Would be a nice, final F U to the Republican Senate who was bitterly uncompromising until the end. xongsmith writes:Or Hillary nominates Barack Hussein Obama.... NosyNed writes:To the GOP -- there's a difference? To to the GOP, yes, there is a difference. An ultra-left wing Hippie would at least be white. Nominating Obama would be tantamount to nominating one of the Black Panthers in their eyes. Come to think of it, that would be funnier.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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One of the articles written in the wake of Scalia's death praised him as a defender of the fourth amendment. Perhaps that article had a point.
The remaining conservative justices doing what they normally do, plus Breyer, who is indisputably the least reliably liberal of the liberal wing of the Court, siding with the conservative wing, issued a ruling that guts the 4th amendment and diminishes the exclusionary rule to the point where the fourth amendment is all but toothless against an illegal seizure by the police. The case in question is Utah vs. Strieff. The Utah Supreme Court conceded that the stop of Strieff was conducted illegally, and the Justices of the Supreme Court agreed as well. However, the Court found reason to allow the evidence from the search to be used against Strieff to criminally prosecute him.
quote: From Sotomayor's dissent:
quote: Yes, the person in question did in fact have drugs on him. But the ruling applies to how the police interact with innocent folks as well as guilty folks. Because there is essentially no penalty for doing so, anyone can now be stopped by police and searched without probable cause or even a suggestion of wrong doing. And even minor reasons, such as outstanding parking tickets, might well validate a search of your person. I have difficult time believing that Scalia would have gone along with this ruling, were he alive, and in this case, his vote would not have saved the fourth amendment. But we should expect that the next president might select up to four Justices between now and the end of his tenure. So called moderate judges are perfectly okay with rulings like this. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Before Scalia's death the Supreme Court would have upheld the Fifth Circuit ruling, and the 4-4 tie that seems likely now would have the same result by leaving the Fifth Circuit ruling in place. But a 5-3 outcome isn't impossible if Kennedy switches sides. As predicted, the Court found that the Fifth Circuit had instituted the incorrect standard of review and had given short shrift to the burden their law placed on a woman's right to choose. Kennedy joined with the liberal judges and signed on to Breyer's opinion in what was likely an easy case for everyone except Kennedy. Scalia's death makes no difference to the outcome. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Proud to say my niece was one of the lead researchers for the evidence showing the detrimental effects of this law on the women of Texas. Their research was mentioned many times in the decision.
Texas Policy Evaluation Project - TxPEPFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Their research was mentioned many times in the decision. The decision also mentioned several times that the case made by the researchers was completely unanswered by the state of Texas with the exception of some unsuccessful attempts to question the application of the scientific method as applied by the researchers. Nice thorough job by the researchers. Your pride in your niece is well placed. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
That one will be very entertaining as Barack Obama qualifies to be nominated to serve in the US Supreme Court for life...
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I don't have anything ready right now, but I encountered this topic and thought it deserved a bump.
Moose
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Remember when Republicans weren't going to let Hillary Clinton have a SCOTUS appointment? Ever?
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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