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LamarkNewAge
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Message 34 of 43 (787405)
07-12-2016 3:02 PM


Democratic party platform now for outlawing fracking (Sanders forced it!)
I always thought it odd that Sanders was expected to beat Hillary in North Dakota (which he did by over 30 points on the final day of voting on June 7 - minus the D.C. vote), when he was for banning fracking.
He was vocal in debates (like the Michigan debate) about it too.
He still won Montana and North Dakota on the final day of voting (and if that isn't ironic enough, he ended up loosing California - where fracking is extremely unpopular among Democratic party voters) when he lost the other 4 contests.
Hillary wasn't too eager to make an issue of his opposition though (because she needed Democratic voters in the big coastal states of the east and west), so that explains it.
Wind and Solar are the whole ballgame among the future Democratic party?

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 36 of 43 (787413)
07-12-2016 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by NoNukes
07-12-2016 6:43 PM


Re: Democratic party platform now for outlawing fracking (Sanders forced it!)
You have to cite an article that mentioned the the Sheister I mean Salvation Army.
Make me barf.
Yick.
But interesting article.
However.
The Bakken fields are the cheapest to extract, plus the infrastructure has already been built for the wells. The banning of fracked oil would be felt especially since oil is back up to $50 per barrel.
Best to just focus on building new power plants, and consumer solar panels, batteries, etc.
Solar and wind can carry their own weight, without allowing a "these alternative sources of energy are only economically viable with extreme levels of government interference" gun to be pointed at them.
Environmental policy is screwed with misguided (very bad) political policy being constantly pushed.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 38 of 43 (787429)
07-13-2016 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by NoNukes
07-13-2016 3:06 AM


Re: Democratic party platform now for outlawing fracking (Sanders forced it!)
quote:
Banning fracking may be a bad policy
It is a bad strategy because the policy can never be implemented.
It just confuses the issue (in so many ways)when government interferes to ban energy sources.
Just support wind and solar (never happened yet).
Put up (the hundreds of billions of $$$ over the next few years) or shut up.
That's my message to the government decision makers and those who want to become members of the policy making bodies.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 40 of 43 (787517)
07-16-2016 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by NoNukes
07-16-2016 8:37 AM


Calling out the Koch Brothers
But will the Koch brothers object to the federal government building a lot of solar-power plants?
A massive wind farms investment by the federal government?
Nobody has proposed it.
So we don't know.
We know that they don't want energy regulations, taxes, and price increases.
Then again, neither does the public.
The environmental movement has caused every green idea to be stained with the(green slime?) thought of higher prices and economic misery (nightmares of not being able to make the utility payments, powering up a car, home foreclosures, price inflation, job losses, etc.).
The Koch brothers are successful because of the green slime effect the environmental movement has allowed wind and solar (with everything else green) to be painted with.
Damaged goods need repairs, not more of the same.

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