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GDR
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Message 181 of 716 (787928)
07-23-2016 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by ringo
07-23-2016 11:49 AM


Re: Temple
ringo writes:
Well, according to your quotes it was the epistle writers who were redefining the idea of Temple - and they were doing it after Jesus had already died and failed to fulfill the requirements to be the Messiah.
One quote was from a gospel, however that understanding is also taken from the general context of the entirety of the NT. It was Jesus who redefined how establishing the Kingdom and the rebuilding of the Temple was to be accomplished.
ringo writes:
Was Napoleon the Anti-Christ? Let's just redefine Anti-Christ to fit Napoleon.
Fine if you want to believe in a literal anti-christ.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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Message 182 of 716 (787952)
07-24-2016 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by ringo
07-21-2016 12:05 PM


Re: Daniel 9
GDR writes:
I think that by now it is quite clear that JC DID fulfill the messianic prophecies, so it should also be quite clear that he WAS the messiah.
You have been shown how he defeated the enemy, (evil), and how he rebuilt the temple, not as a building, but in the hearts of those that are followers of His message of loving others as we love ourselves.
ringo writes:
So he built a metaphor, not a temple.
Yes. The author(s) used a metaphor to teach and/or encourage the reader that we ourselves can be a temple of the Holy Spirit. Granted some of us metaphorically act more as if our body is a liquor store or a candy shop or a casino...but the idea suggests that we can have God dwell in us.
Add by Edit: Regarding Daniel 9:17-18:
quote:
Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies.
Despite it all being what we do and not by virtue of a free pass, I interpret the sanctuary to be my heart and soul. I can be a "temple" or a sanctuary through what I do...and I don't need to make a big religious show of it either...but I maintain that it goes hand in hand...I am able to do unto others better if my metaphorical representation of my physical body is a sanctuary of Gods presence rather than a liquor store, a candy shop, an internet porn hub, or a casino. Just sayin....
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Phat
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Message 183 of 716 (787953)
07-24-2016 10:39 AM
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07-23-2016 11:49 AM


Re: Temple
ringo writes:
And yet the Jews don't accept Jesus as "the Temple" - so you can't use their concept of the Temple to back up your claim.
But as you said, I can use writing in any book in any timeframe and in any context to support a claim. Who are you to determine that a particular book or scroll was meant only for the jews of that time?
Let's just redefine Anti-Christ to fit Napoleon.
Depends on the point that you wish to make. We could redefine anti-christ to fit Donald Trump or we could even show a similarity between Donald Trumps ego and Napoleons. Thats what makes internet conversations so fun.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
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Phat
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Message 184 of 716 (787954)
07-24-2016 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by GDR
07-23-2016 8:17 PM


Re: Temple
GDR writes:
Fine if you want to believe in a literal anti-christ.
I never spend much time worrying about this particular character. I DO believe in a literal Christ as a Messiah. It does not matter(to me) if this literary figure was meant for an entirely different culture and/or people.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
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Message 185 of 716 (787956)
07-24-2016 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
07-25-2013 10:39 AM


Re: a few possibilities.
jar writes:
Jesus is NOT the Jewish Messiah you're looking for. Move along.
Jesus will be the Jewish Messiah once He returns, kicks ass and takes names.
The Jews got the whole Messiah thing wrong.
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
Every once in awhile you come up with a really good post. Its always just when I think you mislead people by telling them that the character of jesus is probably simply a tale told around a campfire. Creedal Christians shouldnt affirm a Creed that is simply a literary plot device on the dusty road of history. take a stand. You have stated that Jesus may not be "the Messiah" now but (you believe) He will be when He returns. I'll make note of that addendum to your belief statement.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
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Message 186 of 716 (787957)
07-24-2016 11:00 AM
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07-24-2016 10:47 AM


Re: a few possibilities.
Phat writes:
Its always just when I think you mislead people by telling them that the character of jesus is probably simply a tale told around a campfire. Creedal Christians shouldnt affirm a Creed that is simply a literary plot device on the dusty road of history. take a stand. You have stated that Jesus may not be "the Messiah" now but (you believe) He will be when He returns. I'll make note of that addendum to your belief statement.
So many misrepresentations is just one paragraph.
I do not tell people "that the character of jesus is probably simply a tale told around a campfire" but rather the lesson to be learned is the same even if that the character of Jesus is simply a tale told around a campfire. The lesson is help the helpless, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, comfort the sorrowful, heal the sick, educate the ignorant, protect the weak.
And I state categorically that Jesus was not and is not the Jewish Messiah. Rather when Jesus totally failed to fulfill the Jewish Messianic requirements his followers and marketeers revised the list of qualifications needed to be called a Messiah to fit what the character Jesus is said to have done. I point out that to qualify as a Jewish Messiah Jesus will first have to return, establish a literal Jewish Kingdom and rule as a Prince.
And why should a Creedal Christian not both affirm a belief while at the same time pointing out the evidence that is reality?

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 187 of 716 (787959)
07-24-2016 11:17 AM
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07-24-2016 10:20 AM


Witness the last post by Phat. Here is the text.
quote:
GDR writes:
I think that by now it is quite clear that JC DID fulfill the messianic prophecies, so it should also be quite clear that he WAS the messiah.
You have been shown how he defeated the enemy, (evil), and how he rebuilt the temple, not as a building, but in the hearts of those that are followers of His message of loving others as we love ourselves.
ringo writes:
So he built a metaphor, not a temple.
[phat writes]
Yes. The author(s) used a metaphor to teach and/or encourage the reader that we ourselves can be a temple of the Holy Spirit. Granted some of us metaphorically act more as if our body is a liquor store or a candy shop or a casino...but the idea suggests that we can have God dwell in us.
"quite clear that JC did fulfill the messianic prophecies."
Phat references a wikipedia link for a word definition.
That's the evidence. (Is that Daniel verse all he has?)
A complete dodge (seems to be his specialty)
If he was going to dodge, he could have at least quoted scripture relevant to his complete dodge.
While he avoided the main issue, he could have scripture references (with quotes!) for his side-issue.
Like Acts 10:28, Peter understands that gentiles are allowed to take part in the Lord's Super without circumcision (Acts 15 showed that the only requirements for salvation were eating Kosher and not fornicating. Gentiles were no longer profane, common, or koinonia) as Acts 10:15 had God showing Peter that gentiles weren't to be considered 4 legged creatures like dogs or, more commonly (called by Jews), pigs.
quote:
Acts 15:1
Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved
Then the decision that gentiles didn't need circumcision, only they needed to eat Kosher (which included the humane rules in the Mishnah that required chickens to be slashed in the throat in a careful way to hit the vein, the Old Testament policy of tearing its head off was outlawed. A Pharisaic "tradition" was incorporated in the New Testament for sure when animals couldn't be strangled. The Mishnah says that strangled animals would retain some blood, as it was impossible to drain it properly and not fornicate. See Acts 15:20-29. King Alfred, in 700 A.D., translated the 10 commandments in English and Acts 15:23-29. It seems to have been a law code he implemented (though there is debate on the issue). Aside from the possible translation of a few verses of John, this was the first ever English translation of scripture.
An all time mandatory-minimum set of rules were covered in Acts 15:20-29. (with more rules to be added later such as the "vice lists" attest, and Romans 14-15:1 attests)
Acts 16 shows that Jewish Christians still had to be circumcised but it was temporary (only for the times). Acts 21 show that the allowance of gentiles to not have to have the circumcision was a burning issue to both Jews and Jewish Christians, that was difficult to tolerate.
From Exodus 12.
quote:
Exodus 12:43ff
The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, These are the regulations for the Passover meal:
No foreigner may eat it. 44 Any slave you have bought may eat it after you have circumcised him, 45 but a temporary resident or a hired worker may not eat it.
46 It must be eaten inside the house; take none of the meat outside the house. Do not break any of the bones. 47 The whole community of Israel must celebrate it.
48 A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. 49 The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.
50 All the Israelites did just what the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron. 51 And on that very day the Lord brought the Israelites out of Egypt by their divisions.
Romans 12
quote:
Romans 12:4-5
4For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.
1 Corinthians 5
quote:
1 Cor 5:7
7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batchas you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
1 Corinthians chapter 10
quote:
1 Cor 10:16-17
Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.
1 Corinthians 11
quote:
1 Cor 11:23-26
For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me. 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
This was the Passover/Lord's Super issue.
Hebrews 10-11 had to do with the other sacrifices. The Deuteronomist source says that all the local altars and sacrifices were outlawed (a contradiction with the rest of the Torah), and Jerusalem was the central sanctuary where offerings had to be made.
I'm still waiting for the harmonization of the New Testament with the Old Testament.
Where was this foretold?
Did any details of the Messiah match?
Phat refuses to quote the "Millennium Temple" chapters and verses from the Old Testament with their mention of sacrifices.
Care to quote from 1 Isaiah or Ezekiel 40-48 Pat?
Care to tell us anything or are you just going to make pronouncements and bald assertions?
Phat has a Declaration of Independence (from any requirement to back up his claims with scripture quotes)
quote:
The author(s) used a metaphor to teach and/or encourage the reader that we ourselves can be a temple of the Holy Spirit
Lets see the Old Testament author's text Phat. About the Temple and the sacrifices. Forget the "Holy Spirit part", any quotations from the time of The Prophets (or earlier!) on the "Holy Spirit" will get me banned (will Phat get banned too if he quotes the only pre-200 B.C. references to the Holy Spirit?). Lol.
I'm talking about quotes from the Old Testament on the Temple and sacrifices and how they relate to the Messiah and Eschatology.
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LamarkNewAge
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Message 188 of 716 (787962)
07-24-2016 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Faith
07-19-2016 8:54 AM


Phat will just ignore the issue, I'll ask Faith instead.
I want to quote part of Faith's long post just to show the logic. I don't mean to disrespect the entire post by appearing to quote mine from such a very long post, so sorry.
Somebody said "There is not a single text in the Tanach that says that the messiah will be God incarnate."
Faith responded.
quote:
Jeremiah: "The LORD our righteousness" refers to the Messiah; Isaiah: "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Prince of Peace" refers to the Messiah. There's lots more but prophecies of the Messiah in the OT are ambiguous, in order to deceive Satan and insincere people, so you have to be willing to recognize them.
She then spent a lot (alot!) of time claiming that Jesus fulfilled the law and didn't end it.
I wonder if we can focus on these issues below.
I put in "Ezekieal 40-48 sacrifices" into google.
But among the other google links, I found many good hits and discussion. It was amazing but almost every hit was about New Testament contradictions with what Fundamentalist Christians say and the chapters in Ezekiel. I actually didn't expect the world to be so much in sync with the issue in a way that is so relevant to my point here.
This was a good site for showing the issues.
http://www.pauls-post-crucifixion-temple-sa.../...uture.html
Phat won't address the issues (except for his quoting of the Daniel verses which was really a self-defeating offering if that is ALL Phat has.)
Lets address the issues please, and especially with regard to the most relevant Old Testament texts.
EDIT
For more of the same issues, put into Google this:
2 isaiah millennial prophecy sacrifices
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Message 189 of 716 (787964)
07-24-2016 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by LamarkNewAge
07-24-2016 1:02 PM


Re: Phat will just ignore the issue, I'll ask Faith instead.
I haven't been following this thread and I don't know what you are asking me. Could you make it clearer? There's no point in clicking on the links if I don't know what I'm supposed to find out from them.
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Message 190 of 716 (787968)
07-24-2016 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Phat
07-24-2016 10:20 AM


Re: Daniel 9
Phat writes:
The author(s) used a metaphor to teach and/or encourage the reader that we ourselves can be a temple of the Holy Spirit.
Yes, and as you point out, that idea may go back as far as Daniel or farther. But it's a separate idea from the Messiah actually rebuilding a physical temple.

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Message 191 of 716 (787970)
07-24-2016 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Phat
07-24-2016 10:39 AM


Re: Temple
Phat writes:
But as you said, I can use writing in any book in any timeframe and in any context to support a claim.
Would it be any clearer if I said you can MISuse any book?
Phat writes:
Who are you to determine that a particular book or scroll was meant only for the jews of that time?
Who am I to determine that the owner's handbook for a 1965 Pontiac Parisienne was meant for the owners of 1965 Pontiac Paresiennes? A sane person. You can pretend it was meant for teaching Vietnamese cooking if you want but who's going to take you seriously?
Phat writes:
We could redefine anti-christ to fit Donald Trump or we could even show a similarity between Donald Trumps ego and Napoleons.
Exactly. You can draw a parallel between any two things if you jump through enough hoops. That's my point: You can draw parallels between Jesus and the Messiah by doing the appropriate gymnastics but that doesn't mean the prophets meant Jesus when they said Messiah.

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Message 192 of 716 (787971)
07-24-2016 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by GDR
07-23-2016 8:17 PM


Re: Temple
GDR writes:
It was Jesus who redefined how establishing the Kingdom and the rebuilding of the Temple was to be accomplished.
So Jesus redefined the prophecies to point to Himself. Is that self-serving at all?

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Message 193 of 716 (787972)
07-24-2016 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Faith
07-24-2016 1:43 PM


Re: Phat will just ignore the issue, I'll ask Faith instead.
quote:
haven't been following this thread and I don't know what you are asking me. Could you make it clearer? There's no point in clicking on the links if I don't know what I'm supposed to find out from them.
The point is that one cannot find too many eschatological (or otherwise?) clues that indicate the future will be without animal sacrifice, a literal Temple, and 2 comings of the Messiah. The first 2 are the chief concern, so don't worry about the Messiah part (hard to ignore for people on all sides of the debate admittedly - aside from those who selectively ignore every actual issue relevant to the associated debates)
Ezekiel 40-48 and the "millennial" Temple (Jews don't seem to have the 1000 year eschatological scheme of Revelation 20 and its 3000 year cousin in the Zoroastrian religion, so the understand term is not going to be used by Jews - i.e. those Jewish individuals who wrote Old Testament books like Ezekiel) seems to be "messianic" , but is very much full of sacrifices and literal language at that.
The Temple seems very literal.
This website is the best online source on can find, because it is mostly quotes from the text itself, plus offers great selections of the various views and interpretations.
I will start quoting the Ezekiel chapters (selected verses) myself if there isn't an attempt to engage the issue by fundamentalist Christians.

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Message 194 of 716 (787976)
07-24-2016 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Phat
07-24-2016 10:20 AM


Daniel 9:17-18 is anything suggestive of anything?
quote:
Regarding Daniel 9:17-18:
"Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies."
Despite it all being what we do and not by virtue of a free pass, I interpret the sanctuary to be my heart and soul. I can be a "temple" or a sanctuary through what I do...and I don't need to make a big religious show of it either...but I maintain that it goes hand in hand...I am able to do unto others better if my metaphorical representation of my physical body is a sanctuary of Gods presence rather than a liquor store, a candy shop, an internet porn hub, or a casino. Just sayin....
The Bible is full of punishment of sins (often using foreign invasions) coming from God being angry at the people for sinning.
A punishing God who removes protection of the capital city.
Gee, how original.
Ezekiel 35-37 mentions the land and its desolation.
Ezekiel 38 mentions the Gog Magog war. (Revelation mentions it and it is interpreted as something yet to happen)
Ezekiel 40-48 are the (fundi?) "Christian" interpreted millennial verses, right?
quote:
Ezekiel's prophecy about a temple includes details which show it to be actively sacrificing. Scholars have argued up and down about whether Ezekiel's prophecies were fulfilled in Zerubbabel's or Herod's temple or are yet to be fulfilled. Most believe that Herod's temple couldn't have satisfied these prophesies, but at the same time can't see how it might be possible that another temple, following Christ's crucifixion would be necessary.
....
Many Christian theologians have been troubled by the implications of Ezekiel's prophecy, which on the one hand includes several elements which have never been seen in previous temples, whilst including animal sacrifices.
....
However, Expositor's Bible Commentary, a respected recent commentary reaches the very clear conclusion that Ezekiel's Temple is indeed a prophecy for the Millennium.
http://www.pauls-post-crucifixion-temple-sa.../...uture.html
It is full of animal sacrifice and often is interpreted as after our present time.
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Message 195 of 716 (787978)
07-24-2016 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by LamarkNewAge
07-24-2016 2:29 PM


Re: Phat will just ignore the issue, I'll ask Faith instead.
What's the point? You think scripture predicts the rebuilding of a literal temple? That's certainly what a lot of people are expecting to happen in the very last days, and some Christian ministries give reports on the progress of preparations for its rebuilding. This is based on taking the OT literally as you apparently do, rather than understanding it in the context of the New Testament as Reformation Protestants do.
From the Protestant point of view there may very well be such a literal rebuilding of the Temple but it would be a terrible mistake because Jesus is the cornerstone of the true temple, of which his followers are living stones. He is also the Sacrifice that really could atone for sin as animal sacrifices could not. See Hebrews 9 and 10.
So that to rebuild the Temple and reinstitute animal sacrifices would be terrible blasphemy. That doesn't mean it isn't going to be done, however; it may very well happen.
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