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So you are claiming that even though GOD creates all, She decides to not to even acknowledge some of Her creation.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You said Now you say: Jesus is not a male nor is the Holy Spirit.So which is it Phat, your former statement or the latter?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

So you would go with: Is that correct?Have you thought that through?Do you understand the implications of that?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

How can there be any justification for judging anyone on what they believe?I agree that what we believe influences what we do, and I believe that is one of the worst things about Christianity as marketed in the US. The "Saved" and "Forgiven" and "Christ died to pay for my sins" marketing spiels are vile and evil.

But what does the Bible say?

Man created the concept of evil and a moral sense exists only within the mythos of a culture, society or era. It totally arbitrary and it too evolves over time.

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Phat writes:

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The messenger and the message are one.

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ringo writes:

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That's just a meaningless sound-bite. ...The messenger, at best, is an example of the message.

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OK, lets discuss this for a moment. Start with Matthew. Whats the purpose of Jesus,according to the message?

Matt 1:20-21 writes:

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an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."

Note: It does not say He will be an example of how to live and will teach the people not to sin...He will actually be a savior.

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Shall we continue?

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Great example and sure, let's continue.That passage follows one of the two mutually exclusive genealogies and is followed by the answer to your question.The passage you (once again) took out of context is a great example of palming the pea instead of answering the question, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, misrepresenting what is actually written and Biblical quotemining as pointed out in Matthew 1 itself. Note that the writer of that part of Mathew commits all of those things but you too pulled one pieces parts out of context.

But you are not building an honest case when you exclude evidence that refutes your position. That is the basic dishonesty that forms the foundation of "Biblical Christianity". Jesus seems to agree with Ringo, not you.Life requires real food, real shelter, real clothing, real health care, real protection not imagined platitudes.Edited by jar, : add part deux

Also, at least according to the Bible, God is quite often unsure of what is right or wrong and just like us, God struggles over morality and changes his position.

Or the "loaves and fishes defense" I imagine.

the question was...

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What, other than marketing, does prayer or fasting add?

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... but you replied only by posting one of the definitions of a sacrament.How does that answer the question?

Let's head back towards the Trinity maybe but first a comment about that last quote mine. That is one of the greatest marketing scams used by Christianity. It is used solely as a marketing tool and serves no other purpose than provide an excuse for not doing what Jesus said we should do.That quote is just the snake-oil salesman's pitch from the back step of the medicine wagon while the shills in the audience shout out the amens and hallelujahs. It's used only as a preface to a sales pitch and never before actually telling folk that it really is their problem, that they caused and that they are charged to solve.Fasting should remind us of what it feels like to be hungry, to create a bond of empathy between our fat fed selves and those that do not get bread. It should show us that even every word that proceeds from the mouth of God is no substitute for bread.Now maybe back to the Trinity; the Great Inscrutable. Edited by jar, : fix sub-titleEdited by jar, : appalin spallin: then ------> than

The issue is not fasting itself but rather how that verse is used so often in the Christian Cult of Ignorance. As Phat used it the implication is that words are as good as food. Too often I hear Christians use that verse when they are challenged for not giving aid.Fasting itself can be very useful but it cannot replace bread. Give a hungry man a verse and he will still be hungry.

I believe that is what the Nicene Creed says.And Jesus or the Holy Spirit if they exist today are not alive and so have no gender as we understand it.

First, no one other than God is limiting God.What people are actually saying is that people need food, need clothes, need shelter, need protection, need healing, need comforting, need educating.Chores need to get done.If God wants to feed the people, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, protect the weak, heal the sick, comfort the sorrowful, educate the ignorant and do the chores then great but looking around it does not seem that God wants to do all that.Yet people still need food, need clothes, need shelter, need protection, need healing, need comforting, need educating and until God does it there is no other option but man doing it.Chores still need to get done and until God does them there is no other option but man doing them.Now if you have some bigger concept that has some value or worth then perhaps this is a great time to present it. Folk are open to learning what this bigger concept is and how it will feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, protect the weak, heal the sick, comfort the sorrowful, educate the ignorant and do the chores.