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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You can't do more than X before you do X. ... a Christian is called to do more than to simply be a worker bee that feeds and clothes people. Jesus said we will always have the poor with us, so you're never finished doing X.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Exactly. Which is why "spiritual" mumbo-jumbo isn't somehow "more" than "merely" helping people.
I just wanted to add that I agree, but also in that there was no awareness that they had done those things for/to Jesus. They simply did them because that's where there hearts were, and not because they were thinking about some future benefit from God.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Jesus said we will always have the poor with us, so you're never finished doing X. So what good will it do merely to keep people fed if they die without knowing the Truth?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: So what good will it do merely to keep people fed if they die without knowing the Truth? LOL Do you mean YOUR truth or some other truth? And is not living somewhat important? Have you asked hungry people whether they prefer materialistic food or spiritual food?My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2330 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined:
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But Jar, you know spiritual food doesn't cost Phat anything that he thinks is his by right.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What good is it to know "The Truth" if you're dead? So what good will it do merely to keep people fed if they die without knowing the Truth? Edited by ringo, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
What good is it to know "The Truth" if you're dead? John3:16 writes:
And as long as I'm on this "quotes" kick, I may as well throw in David Niven--
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.I've taken up the Bible again, somewhat in the spirit of W.C. Fields - looking for loopholes. David Niven Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
What good is "eternal" life if this life is miserable?
ringo writes:
John3:16 writes: What good is it to know "The Truth" if you're dead?For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
What good is "eternal" life if this life is miserable? I fully agree. And again..im not against feeding people materialistically as it were..I'm just saying not to limit a Christian to this task...its a waste of talent. Anybody can feed people. Its like having a PhD teach 1st grade. Normal folks dont know squat about eternal life. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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No one knows squat about eternal life.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Phat writes: What good is it to know "The Truth" if you're dead? John3:16 writes:
And as long as I'm on this "quotes" kick, I may as well throw in David Niven--
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.I've taken up the Bible again, somewhat in the spirit of W.C. Fields - looking for loopholes. David Niven You use the term truth very loosely and I really wonder if you have a clue what the word means or what the quotes YOU provide mean? Quoting John 3:16 out of context a great example of the utter bankruptcy and dishonesty of the "Biblical Christians". First, the passage that begins at John 3:16 is an editorial comment by the author of John or a later redactor. In addition it is taken totally out of context to once again provide a cheap and easy get-otta-hell-free card while ignoring the rest of that paragraph. So here it is in context:
quote: Notice that it goes on to talk about how belief is shown and that is by doing, not just believing. Pay close attention to the parts the conmen usually skip over and leave out.
"19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God." It's about what people do Phat, not what they believe. But you don't like that or having what the stories actually say pointed out and so you take John 3:16 as though it stood alone. That's pitiful.My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: The truth is the light. The truth is the Spirit. Jesus said to Pilate that He was(and is) the Truth.
You use the term truth very loosely and I really wonder if you have a clue what the word means or what the quotes YOU provide mean? Quoting John 3:16 out of context a great example of the utter bankruptcy and dishonesty of the "Biblical Christians". You sure have it out for these so-called Biblical Christians, don't you. It seemingly infuriates you that they think they have found a loophole of getting out of hell and into heaven without doing any work. If you hung out with me for any length of time you would find that I do as much if not more "work" than you think. But thats irrelevant.
quote: jar writes: Where have I ever indicated that doing is not necessary? All i have pointed out to Ringo is that a Christian has a bigger job to do than simply feed and cloth people like they work at a food bank/thrift store.
Notice that it goes on to talk about how belief is shown and that is by doing, not just believing. It's about what people do Phat, not what they believe. Its about both, jar. Its just that simple.
jar writes: I have no problem with you re-emphasizing it again and again. My only concern is that you have poor Ringo convinced that giving spare change and feeding people is enough. To me this is only the tip of the iceberg. But you don't like that...Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I have no problem with you re-emphasizing it again and again. My only concern is that you have poor Ringo convinced that giving spare change and feeding people is enough. To me this is only the tip of the iceberg.
According to Jesus it is what we are to do. Where did Jesus say we should pray?My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Did Jesus pray? Are we to take up our cross and follow Him? What does it mean to follow Him, if not to do as he did?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Are we to take up our cross and follow Him? What does it mean to follow Him, if not to do as he did? It means to feed the hungry, comfort the sorrowful, protect the weak, clothe the naked, heal the sick ... Maybe those things have not be mentioned yet?My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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