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Author Topic:   6000 year old fabric from Peru showing dying with indigo
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09-16-2016 10:20 AM


Fabric from a civilization in coastal Peru over 6000 years ago shows that not only was weaving common but dying materials to use to created patterned cloth was used. So humans had expanded around the globe and reached a level of manufacturing to produce fabric as opposed to hide based material as well as having domesticated farming growing cotton as a material to create fabrics. The regularity of the pattern also shows that weaving had reached to level of having a loom as well as a shuttle for creating warp and woof.

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Message 2 of 8 (791569)
09-16-2016 10:20 PM
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The universe itself was created just over 6000 years ago so these Peru people couldn't have been that very much over 6000 years ago. Less than a couple decades, give or take, I should think. So, here, just a scant 20 or so years after the creation of the universe we have a civilization in Peru making cloth and using dyes on it. I'm skeptical. That is too short a time for that great a gain in knowledge. I'd bet there was a spacefaring alien influence at work there.
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Message 3 of 8 (791573)
09-16-2016 11:07 PM
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But wait, there's more
Unfortunately they were also building temples and burying stuff inside. Just no sense of timing at all.

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Message 4 of 8 (791574)
09-16-2016 11:18 PM
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Re: But wait, there's more
6,000 years, eh?

From my own work, I have dated human remains going well over 7,500 years ago. They're trying to get mtDNA from them now.

Want to bet whether they show continuity to more recent skeletons and living descendants from that same area?

Or, if there was a flood some 4,350 years ago that wiped out all life except Noah and his kin, there could not be a continuity of mtDNA types--the mtDNA in more recent populations would have to be middle-east types, all spread worldwide by descendants of Noah et al.

Any bets on what the evidence will show?


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09-16-2016 11:32 PM
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Re: But wait, there's more
Any bets on what the evidence will show?

In a brand spanking new divinely created universe with a brand spanking new population of divinely created humans who "somehow" acquired the knowledge to build temples (obviously Mormons) and bury things in addition to making tie-dye? The evidence can only show one thing: Aliens, of course.


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Message 6 of 8 (791579)
09-17-2016 1:11 AM
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Re: But wait, there's more
The evidence can only show one thing: Aliens, of course.

Aliens from another universe?


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Message 7 of 8 (791583)
09-17-2016 8:27 AM
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Re: But wait, there's more
Aliens from another universe?

Another universe? Man, are you confused.

Aliens don't come from other universes. They come from other PLANETS.

Planets are those big chunks of rock that orbit around stars in the same way our sun orbits around the Earth.


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Message 8 of 8 (791588)
09-17-2016 10:42 AM


New World Cultivation and domestication of crops.
About a half decade ago I came across a study from the University of Chicago relating to confirmed dates when New World crops were cultivated. Maize was the original thing I was searching for but what amazed me was just how many different crops and sites were known and dated already in the New World.

Here is a table from that study listing those sites known back in 2009. Of course there has been extensive additional research since then.


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