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Message 1146 of 1257 (791008)
09-09-2016 8:34 AM
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09-08-2016 11:16 AM


Re: The Very Slow Burying of a Chunk of Lead
Hi Stile:
I do intend to get back to this; just needed a break.

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Message 1149 of 1257 (791074)
09-09-2016 10:08 PM


The chunk of lead
Pressie doesn't seem to ever bother to read earlier posts to find out what anything means that he just happens to run across. The chunk of lead was a device Stile came up with to solve a problem I was objecting to about fossils. See Message 996
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Message 1153 of 1257 (791289)
09-13-2016 7:18 PM
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09-13-2016 6:23 PM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
Some creationists believe the solar system was involved in the Flood scenario in various ways; for instance meteor impacts are considered to have been part of the Flood period on earth, and throughout the solar system as well, accounting for all those craters on the moon and other planets.
The strata on Mars don't look much like those on Earth, however.

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Message 1154 of 1257 (791290)
09-13-2016 7:19 PM
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09-13-2016 6:34 PM


Re: exposed strata, cliffs, just because
How things occur today isn't a very reliable clue to how they occurred in the past, during the Flood, or before the Flood.

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Message 1159 of 1257 (791360)
09-14-2016 4:03 PM
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09-14-2016 3:37 PM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
What is this absurd idea you have that every single detail of every event has to actually BE in the Bible to be authentic? There are lots of reasonable possibilities for what happened in the Flood that aren't mentioned in the Bible, but are perfectly consistent with what IS in the Bible.

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Message 1160 of 1257 (791361)
09-14-2016 4:06 PM
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09-14-2016 3:16 AM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
I don't know if Mars was flooded, but if it was, the flood wasn't much like the Flood of Noah, judging by the very different terrain it left.

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Message 1163 of 1257 (791401)
09-14-2016 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1162 by edge
09-14-2016 9:11 PM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
Interpreting the Bible is not adding to the Bible

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Message 1165 of 1257 (791418)
09-15-2016 1:00 AM
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09-15-2016 12:22 AM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
Okay, so I was wrong.
How do you know what interpretation of the Bible is correct?
And please, don't just say 'it's obvious'.
In the case of interpreting what the Flood would have done I don't think we can KNOW any of it is correct, we can only suggest what seems plausible, and of course we have to include what science says about it even if to you it seems we don't. Physical facts anyway, not the interpretive baggage of dating and mentally constructed ancient landscapes. There are things about the physical world that you guys DO know that have to be taken into account, but your unprovable interpretations we do not have to take as gospel.
{I realize that this kind of interpretation should be distinguished from interpreting the meaning of passages in the Bible though, and for that I rely on the consensus of a whole bunch of theologians and Bible teachers both ancient and modern, and even then I have to trust my own judgment about who are the best. But if you are a believer, and you are scared to death of imposing your own prejudices on the Bible, you trust that God will guide you.)
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Message 1167 of 1257 (791424)
09-15-2016 1:46 AM
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09-15-2016 1:14 AM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
n the case of interpreting what the Flood would have done I don't think we can KNOW any of it is correct, we can only suggest what seems plausible, and of course we have to include what science says about it even if to you it seems we don't.
So, then, it is possible that you are wrong. I mean, you admit that you don't really KNOW about the flood.
That's not QUITE what I said. I can't know with certainty anything that depends on my own thinking about HOW it happened, anything the Bible doesn't reveal about it that is, but I certainly DO know that there was a worldwide Flood, yes I have no doubt about that despite those who interpret the Bible to mean it wasn't worldwide; and I am 99% sure it occurred about 4500 years ago.
The rest of your post is too hard to sort out. I say I reject your unprovable interpretations of the past but you seem to be extending that to include things I didn't say. I'm not even going to try to sort all that out.

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Message 1172 of 1257 (791538)
09-16-2016 12:55 PM
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09-16-2016 8:45 AM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
I don't really get what's interesting or important about this topic, but some answers:
First I wouldn't say that "floods," plural, lay down flat strata, just THE worldwide Flood of Noah. Perhaps floods in general also do so, I just don't know, they seem mostly to leave a lot of shapeless mud coating or burying everything in their path, in my experience.
Second, yes I think the Martian strata bear quite a bit of resemblance to those at Siccar Point, suggesting great erosion, which is visible on the Martian photos around all the strata in any case. Perhaps wind-caused? i mean it looks very dry.
I didn't see Glowby's post until now. Answer is Yes I think I could easily distinguish the strata of Mars from yhose of Earth, given a good selection of examples.
The main differences seem to be that the Martian strata seem to be all of one size and shape, and all of one sediment, not extensive thick layers such as we see on Earth, of different sediments.
Perhaps Mars had a planet-wide flood in the same period as Earth's.
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Message 1174 of 1257 (791550)
09-16-2016 2:53 PM
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09-16-2016 2:11 PM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
The evidence is in the posted pictures. I described how they look to me. If you disagree I'm not going to argue with you.
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Message 1176 of 1257 (791553)
09-16-2016 3:06 PM
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09-16-2016 3:03 PM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
You must not be talking about the strata in that pictur3e, which are almost completely buried in eroded sediment: They look like all the strata in those Martian pictures, all the same thickness, and not very thick.
You said something in the other post I forgot to answer about it being worldwide? Didn't I say I thought the Martian flood may also have been worldwide? Or am I not getting what you meant?
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Message 1178 of 1257 (791558)
09-16-2016 6:39 PM
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09-16-2016 3:56 PM


Re: The Great Martian Flood
Hundreds of feet is thick but that's the hill; the strata all look about the same thickness. What thickness for the individual strata then, about five feet maybe? Ten? Or you tell me.
I'm not making any "claims," Taq, I'm just responding to what has been said and the pictures that have been presented. I don't have a stake in any of this. It could be the result of a flood, or not; it could be all over the planet or not. It doesn't make any difference to me, I'm just describing what it looks like to me.
You say the strata are ash and basalt, so are all the strata volcanic, then? In that case the strata formation would be a situation more like Mt. St. Helens than a flood.
As for strata being formed in the Caribbean, I stick to the ones in the visible stratigraphic columns for whatever I say about strata.
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Message 1182 of 1257 (791615)
09-18-2016 5:27 PM


The Martian strata don't look much like Earth's, as I said, except to some extent similar to Siccar Point as Percy pointed out, due to the extreme erosion and splintery effect as a result. As I also said, they also look like they are made out of the same material and are all about the same thickness, which also differs from Earth's. They also are broken up into segments in a way Earth's strata aren't. From Taq's saying they are known to be of basalt and ash at least, I would suspect they are mostly volcanic, and for comparison I mentioned the rapid stratification of the material from the Mt. St. Helens eruption.

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Message 1187 of 1257 (791664)
09-19-2016 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1186 by edge
09-19-2016 5:33 PM


Martian strata not caused by water but by volcano
But Faith has decreed that the Flood "would be different" from everything we've ever observed and every experiment we've ever done. Yet there was no violation of physical laws and no miracle.
Faith has also suggested, IIRC, that geology has ended. When the flood retreated, we no longer have geological processes except erosion, I guess.
Golly gosh it's amazing what people think you said even when you've said something entirely different a hundred times. The Flood would be dramatically different from local floods is all I've ever said about that, because, well golly gee, it covered every scrap of land on earth while local floods just relocate some mud.
And geology has ended? Amazing. I believe what I said was that the GEOLOGICAL COLUMN was finished when the Flood ended. I know there are sedimentary deposits still going on in odd places but they aren't the Geologic Column. That I believe is all I ever said that you might have misconstrued.
But this is way off topic. The Martian strata are not the result of a flood. How about responding to the conclusion I came to that they are the result of a volcanic eruption?
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