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Phat
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Message 106 of 110 (791768)
09-21-2016 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Aussie
09-20-2016 1:40 PM


Re: Whoppers
I believe Jesus is alive today. I believe that He hears my prayers. I am sorry that you now believe differently, but perhaps you are sorry that I am stuck in what you call "mythology". Perhaps we can find common ground in our discussions...perhaps we will always disagree...I dunno..

I know that for me, once I was convinced...either through subjective evidence or fantasy...take your pick...I have to this day remained a believer.

Perhaps you were destined to take a different path. One question though.

What convinced you that Jesus is not real?

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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Phat
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Message 107 of 110 (823816)
11-17-2017 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by ringo
09-16-2016 12:09 PM


satan got a bad rap?
ringo writes:

I think Satan is us.
You can say we "fell" from God's grace if you like but we actually grew up, not down. "Satan" is just the personification of our growing pains.

You and I are diametric opposites on this subject.

You claim that growing up means being independent and leaving the nest.

I would never leave God, throw him away, or cease believing in Him. I believe He wants us in communion with Him.

You claim that Satan got a bad rap, as did humanity being blamed for original sin.

I believe that Satan chose to become independent, thus sealing his fate eternally.

I also believe that humans should never outgrow the need for God.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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ringo
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Message 108 of 110 (823818)
11-17-2017 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Phat
11-17-2017 12:29 PM


Re: satan got a bad rap?
Phat writes:

You claim that Satan got a bad rap, as did humanity being blamed for original sin.


No. I said that "Satan" is us. you quoted me.
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Phat
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Message 109 of 110 (823920)
11-19-2017 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by ringo
11-17-2017 12:35 PM


Re: satan got a bad rap?
Well, I wonder if satan felt jealous when God abandoned him? These new humans after all! Stealing the limelight...

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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ringo
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Message 110 of 110 (823927)
11-19-2017 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Phat
11-19-2017 9:54 AM


Re: satan got a bad rap?
Phat writes:

Well, I wonder if satan felt jealous when God abandoned him?


I don't see any point in discussing "Satan" as if he was an actual entity. There are several different Satans in the Bible, each adapted to a particular context. He's a plot device. Usually he's a foil used to present an alternative point of view. Sometimes he's more on God's side, sometimes less. Beyond the specific context of each story, he doesn't need to have feelings.
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