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NoNukes
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Message 279 of 329 (791692)
09-19-2016 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by GDR
09-19-2016 5:30 PM


Re: How should we understand Scripture?
In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?
A bit of a nitpick here, but statements like these do not claim that Moses wrote the Torah. The quoted statement just says that the Torah, which is not written in first person anyway, contains Moses words.
I must emphasize that I am nitpicking, because your main point is well argued. However inerrant Bible worshipers have a number of techniques for defending innerancy despite statements like this one. One doctrine is to talk about dispensations. 'Moses was right for his time, but we are in a different dispensation after Jesus'.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
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NoNukes
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Message 285 of 329 (791736)
09-20-2016 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by GDR
09-19-2016 9:45 PM


Re: How should we understand Scripture?
Here we can see that it is very clear that the writer is saying that the public stoning by the community is commanded by the Lord through Moses. When Jesus refers back to the Torah as in the adultery case He doesn't say that God commanded it, He says that Moses commanded it.
Right. I agree with you. I am only disputing your statement that the verse shows that Moses wrote the Torah. I am not disputing that Moses made the statements or commands that Jesus attributed to him.
GDR writes:
As I have pointed out to you before Jesus refers to passages from the Torah as being written by Moses ...
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 304 of 329 (791811)
09-21-2016 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 303 by kbertsche
09-21-2016 8:39 PM


Re: How should we understand Scripture?
Was I unclear in some way? I tried to explain that the account of the woman taken in adultery did not belong in the canon due to objective, scholarly issues of textual criticism, NOT because of its content.
I think your statement here is a little strong. What you did instead was provide an objective scholarly opinion that the story should not be considered canon. But whether or not that objective criticism is valid is an open question. Perhaps it does belong.
Jesus did deal with other women of ill repute, for example, the women with many husbands and a current man who was not her husband. There was not a single incident of Jesus suggesting a stoning party.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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