Rationalising The Irrational - Hardcore Theists Apply Within

Well no, that could not be. That is simply classic apologetic nonsense; there is absolutely nothing there to chew on.

Perhaps but it is supported by reality.Jesus is neither an envelope or a message? Envelopes are not messages. Even if that were true saying the envelope was the message still gives absolutely no information about what the message was.

You gotta stop trying to say what other folk think. That is not what I say at all. What I say is that there is no such thing as "The God of the Bible" and in fact the Bible is filled with different and often totally contradictory Gods, many of which are worthy only of scorn and contempt and that should be ridiculed and opposed.I have said that the God much of Christianity markets is a picayune despot also unworthy or worship or respect.I have said Christianity is almost certainly wrong as is every religion and as are EVERY God or god we can describe.I have said that Christianity though is a path I have chosen as a life guide, a description of how I should behave. And that is fine. You can of course contend anything.But what does that have to do with anyone else? Why must you continue to make assertions about what others do and say and think when the evidence shows you are almost always wrong?Why would any God that needed to be pleased be considered worthy of even acknowledgement?

Come on Phat. You learn by asking questions of those NOT on your level.Of course questions should be asked of Jesus or God, just as the Bible stories show us.

Why he didn't put more padding on shinbones? Why he didn't use two separate paths for taking in food and breathing? Why did he make okra so slimy? What was the reason to invent cockroaches? What makes you think I designed those things?

You gotta explain that. How is free will evidence of anything supernatural?Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

So freewill is NOT evidence of anything.Got it.But why do you claim that it is evidence?

But of course that is factually wrong. Your belief has nothing to do with distinguishing anything other than your personal belief. It does not distinguish between existence or non-existence of anything in reality. Again, that is simply factually wrong and also does not help answer the question at all. You even point that out when you post "but they are different in that Christians give the credit to a God in whom they believe while atheists do not." which shows again that the only difference is in the belief of the person and has nothing to do with the actual existence or non-existence of any deity.

Try to understand the question. What you are is irrelevant. It has no bearing whatsoever on the existence or non-existence of any God.

Again, that is totally irrelevant to the topic. Why do you keep asking irrelevant questions?

No. For this topic? No, it does not matter at all.

In any discussion related to things without factual evidence to support a position I can only represent myself.

But the topic has nothing to do with the Elks or any other Club, so it is irrelevant to talk about the Elks or any other club in this thread.The honest position is to try to address the topic.

How is the life of Jesus evidence of anything more than say the life of Don Diego de la Vega? What does that even mean?

Really? Is there any evidence to support that? It counts as evidence that some people claim to react to the particular assertion; Buddhist to the death of the Buddha, Christians to the death of Jesus; Muslims to the death of Mohammad...But it does not count as evidence of any deity.