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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Big_Al35 writes:
Who's Clinton a ringer for?
Looks as though he is another ringer for the Clintons.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Big_Al35 writes:
Just another clown in the clown show.
More to the point - who is Billy Bush?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Percy writes:
"So we're cutting off our nose to spite our face." Trump seems unlikely to lose significant voter support, but you can't blame the voters. The message voters are sending this year is, "You politicians have done a terrible job running the country, we're angry, and we're demonstrating that anger by voting against anything smacking of the status quo." In a democracy, I always blame the voters. My dad used to say that people get the government they deserve. That's why Canada's national sport is feeling superior to Americans.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Diomedes writes:
That's the problem with trying to overthrow the "political establishment". When you throw out the insiders you're also throwing out the experience on how to win elections. Not only does he have many of the same character flaws as Clinton, he also brings to the table absolutely no political experience. As one commentator put it, elections are about adding, not subtracting. Unless the Republicans learn to broaden their base instead of solidifying what they already have, they're doomed to be a second-rate party (like the Canadian Conservatives).
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Diomedes writes:
My guess is that the current distancing from Trump is just a ploy to try to save some House and Senate seats. I doubt that the party "establishment" will learn anything from the Trump fiasco.
... at least Paul Ryan, who was not enamored with The Donald from the get go, has finally thrown up his hands in indignation and basically shown the middle finger to the Republican nominee.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
xongsmith writes:
No. Government by the residents. Didn't Thomas Paine say something to the effect that people on this side of the ocean are better able to manage their own affairs than some goober on the other side of the ocean?
The Representatives should represent what YOU want, not some area of the state. You are essentially arguing for Government by the land owners. xongsmith writes:
MY representatives, both at the provincial and federal level, are from a party that I wouldn't vote for if I live to be a million. But they're still MY representatives. They have a duty to represent me whether I voted for them or not. I'd rather be represented by my neighbour, regardless of our political differences, than by somebody a thousand miles away who happens to agree with my opinions.
My Representatives (note the plural) are all from my party, all over the state, as a TEAM.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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xongsmith writes:
The difference between Manhattan and rural upstate New York is probably greater than the difference between 1776 London and 1776 Boston.
We're talking within one state, not the other side of the ocean. xongsmith writes:
You should be voting for somebody who will.
As for the duty to represent you, who really does that these days? xongsmith writes:
Why stop at state lines? Why shouldn't you be able to vote for somebody in Hawaii who agrees with you?
But if I have NO NEIGHBOUR I LIKE, and I live in Texas' 1st District, why shouldn't I be able to vote for VaLinda Hathcox who was redistricted to District 4, next to District 1, instead of Shirley McKellar -
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
caffeine writes:
You can't disenfranchise idiots.
... anyone who pays attention to politics and wasn't an idiot....
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
xongsmith writes:
I mentioned it because in Canada that's probably what would happen. Our federal government has control over federal elections (except for details like polling station opening and closing times). It's currently considering doing away with the first-past-the-post system, though I predict (and hope) that it will come to nothing. There may be an issue within the US Constitution, however...i dunno. If I voted Green the winning candidate would probably be in Vancouver where the climate is completely different. I'd rather be represented by somebody I can't agree with on anything than by somebody who doesn't have a clue.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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We have this same thing going on in Canada - governments tearing out their hair at the idea that some people who want to vote may be ineligible.
I say, if people want to vote, let them vote. I'd rather see a thousand illegitimate votes than prevent one legitimate one. In Canada, we used to vote without even showing ID. Now you practically have to give a DNA sample. No wonder voter turnout is declining.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes:
And Bernie Sanders made a welcoming home for all the pseudo-lefties who are too holier-than-thou to vote for Hillary Clinton.
The same America that made Bernie Sanders made Donald Trump. The difference is that the GOP base made a welcoming home for the exploitative, racist, misogynist, homophobic, anti-American Donald Trump.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
It's interesting that most Canadians probably couldn't name even one member of our Supreme Court. It seems to me that impartiality and anonymity go hand in hand.
I expect that Garland's name will be withdrawn.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dronestar writes:
You don't seem to understand how democracy works. You'd be hard-pressed to find a US legislator who has never voted for something that caused deaths directly or indirectly. And you'd be hard-pressed to find a US voter who has never voted for one of them. By your ridiculous standard, the only Americans who aren't war criminals are the ones who don't vote.
IF a foreign politician voted to murder your children and parents based on lies, a crime of aggression, would YOU think that person would make a credible potential president?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dronestar writes:
What part of "crime of aggression" covers one vote? And what part absolves the voters who voted for the voter?
Look up "crime of aggression."
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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dronestar writes:
If Mod wants to explain his position to me, he's welcome to do so. Apparently you have nothing of your own to say.
Wow, you already read both of Mod's posts?
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