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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Those are opinion pieces. I have had great respect for Glen Greenwald in the past, but he can quickly cross over the line from objective reporting. Again, none of these pieces provide evidence of the collusion you claim. So those opinions are based on made up reality ... right. Again, I won't waste my time trying to convince you of something obvious. Take a breath, relax.
I was a very strong Bernie supporter, financially, emotionally and physically. I walked the walk. ... Ditto.
... Alas, Bernie lost. It is time to move on. Do you mean capitulate or do you mean continue the revolution through promoting progressive 'Berniecrat' candidates up and down the ticket -- because that is what I have been doing. It is also why I WILL vote for Jill. Making that decision was very liberating.
There are issues about the DNC, huge issues. ... Burning the place down is not the answer Who is burning it down? Electing progressive 'Berniecrat' candidates is not burning it down, fighting to regain the senate is not burning it down.
... Now is not the time to address them. The release of the email has pointed out that reform of the party is needed. ... When is? Are you a member of your local Democrat party committee? I am, as well as a slew of new progressives here in RI, so that we can implement change at the local level, from party issues to how the primary is run to what role superdelegates should have.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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You need to do something about that persecution complex
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Stein is antiscience and panders to conspiracy theorists. Which seemingly would be appealing to you.
Jill Stein’s Anti-Science Pandering – Skepchick quote: There is no excuse for this pandering to the anti-science crowd. Or being on the same page as Trump when it comes to Russia.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Stein is antiscience and panders to conspiracy theorists. ... Wrong. DO some research, please. This is DNC propaganda. You have to be blind or willingly ignorant not to see the several times she has responded to these assertions. Or you just take the articles that appeal to your opinion. I have watched many Hillary fans do this kind of thing this year. Cognitive dissonance is alive and well this election year (do I need to mention Trump supporters? My reasons for voting for Stein are purely strategic. I know she will not win, I know that Hillary will win RI, and I cannot vote for her (warmonger, paranoid, two-faced, doesn't have a position that cannot be bought, ... imho of course). But I can support third party growth and a progressive coalition that crosses party lines (see Working Families Party, of which I am also a member, see especially their issues).
... Which seemingly would be appealing to you. LOL. What was that you were complaining I was doing? you are funny. You really like to make mountains out of molehills. btw, my psychologist mom always said "just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean you are not being followed." Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Wrong.
No. Correct. I actually have read her responses to questions and her statements. The article I linked to has actual quotes.
You have to be blind or willingly ignorant not to see the several times she has responded to these assertions.
And each time she dissimulates and continues to pander and express anti-science views. She has been caught and shown to express anti-science and anti-vax views. She denies it, but expresses the viewpoints again.
This is DNC propaganda.
So we should not take Jill Stein at her word?
Cognitive dissonance is alive and well this election year
Looking in the mirror?
(see Working Families Party, of which I am also a member, see especially their issues).
I am very familiar with them and have had some conversations with them here in WI. Funny that the candidate you so vehemently oppose is endorsed by your party. What I like about them is that they see the long game and are not going to cut off their nose to spite their face. If they can continue to build an organization, I can see that I will be working and contributing more to them in the future. Page not found - Working Families Party
quote: Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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if i where american given the choices id vote for this guyChristianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Hi Frako - this may only be the Wiki page on this guy's activities, but there's enough there to think he might not be the best comedy candidate to choose.
Greater Wynnewood Exotic Animal Park - WikipediaCould there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I think he is still a better choice then either hillary or trump. And he actually looks like he is honest.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Well, the Republican controlled senate said that they would not acknowledge a nominee from President Obama because they decided to make up a new rule on the fly that a 'lame duck president' shouldn't be able to appoint a new judge to the supreme court.
Unfortunately, John McCain has taken that one step further indicating that they will likely block ANY nominee put forth by Hillary Clinton, if she were president: Republicans May Block Any Of Clinton's Supreme Court Nominees, McCain Says | HuffPost Latest News So for those keeping score, the new rules as dictated by Republicans regarding the Supreme court are as follows: 1) All nominees put forth by lame duck presidents shall not be considered. Unless the president is a Republican.2) All nominees put forth by sitting Democratic presidents shall always be ignored. 3) All nominees put forth by sitting Republican presidents must be voted in without question. Because to do otherwise is unpatriotic. Well, glad I have that figured out.
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Taq Member Posts: 10033 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Diomedes writes: So for those keeping score, the new rules as dictated by Republicans regarding the Supreme court are as follows: You forgot #4: Claim Democrats are unwilling to reach across the aisle.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
RAZD writes:
Ok, Ok, but tell us how you really feel. I cannot vote for her (warmonger, paranoid, two-faced, doesn't have a position that cannot be bought, ... imho of course). I live in a RED state. So I feel very disenfranchised every election.But I do still vote. I am hoping if Hillary does win she turns out to be a great president, maybe she will surprise us. Maybe it will be her calling. I will say I do not envy her if she does as Congress is already sharpening their knives. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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ramoss Member (Idle past 632 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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I would like to see that proved. Yes, there were voter purges, but can you show that it was 'bernie' supporters that were purged,?? How do they know who to purge/?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Evidence of machine tampering to record false results, always to Clinton benefit (a trick learned from the GOP).
Bullshit. You have no evidence. I follow reports of voting irregularities. There is no evidence that shows any tampering. If you have it the FBI would be quite interested in seeing it.
Long lines in Bernie districts because of sudden cut-back on polling stations ... but not in Clinton districts.
How did anyone know which polling stations to cut back on? I suppose you have evidence for this accusation. Would love to see it.
Then add in the systemic rigging of closed primaries where independents could not vote, as in New York where you had to register democrat before the first debate to be able to vote in the primary. Half of Bernie's supporters were independents.
It was the Democratic Party primary. You have a problem with actual members of the party choosing their parties nominee. That is a very weird and disingenuous argument. This rule was not put in place for this contest. It has been the parties rule. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Taq Member Posts: 10033 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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RAZD writes: Then add in the systemic rigging of closed primaries where independents could not vote, as in New York where you had to register democrat before the first debate to be able to vote in the primary. Half of Bernie's supporters were independents. And add in the systemic rigging through the media (all owned by corporations that supported Hillary massively) so that even MSNBC rarely mentioned Bernie and the media blackout on his rallies, Finally there is the systemic rigging of the superdelegates such that Bernie would have needed something over 60% of the popular vote to win.
The word "rigging" is going to need a long vacation after this election due to all the abuse it has to put up with. Those were the rules BEFORE even one vote was cast. Those are the same rules that were around when Obama was nominated, for crying out loud. It isn't rigged. Those are the rules. When you follow the rules, IT ISN'T RIGGED. For crying out loud . . . Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2394 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Damn Democrats also rigged it in a great many states so that not only the Independents couldn't vote in their primaries, but also the Republicans. Don't forget that little bit of last minute surprise, behind the scenes, not covered by the media shenanigans.
JB
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