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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: But these are the stories! In googling Lucifer and perusing what Christians...as well as other beliefs state about him, he is either portrayed as hateful and jealous or as simply another spirit desiring autonomy. And once again Phat, where is your support for Lucifer's desire for autonomy, or that Lucifer wanted to be worshiped or that Lucifer wanted to not listen to a higher authority? Anselm comments: quote: My question is...where did Anselm get his ideas about who Lucifer was? Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
As Groucho Marx said, "I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member." I wouldn't have any respect for a God who had no expectations of me beyond obedience. OK, so what else does He expect? IF I am gonna work hard, hard enough to give away more than I need...I have a few expectations also. This relationship is a two way street.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Now you have me thinking.
Im getting older, and my diabetes is slowly taking its toil. I cant count on myself to work hard enough to take care of myself. There are few people out there that would hand me spare change...and it takes a lot of spare change to provide a retirement. I wonder if Anselm worried about his earthly security---nevermind his eternal security.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
So why don't you play Lucifer's advocate and answer those questions? How can I answer the questions honestly when it will mean I am going against God?
Sometimes taking our own path leads to us getting lost. Or hurt. If I am truly going to be assigned satan as my client, I may well warn him about reality. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I thought about this.
If humans metaphorically ingested good and evil both, what would be true?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Why would Satan or anybody else have to defend their right to exist? Because there is only One God.... You cant defend your right to be an equal. Among humans we all are equal. Among Gods there is only One.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
That's what Faith and Belief are all about. This is not a Science Forum and there are no measurable results and published papers.
Perhaps this is more your cup of tea: Closer To Truth Is there some philosophical, theological or basic practical moral truths that religion has answers to or is the entire concept irrelevant in our modern times? More to the point: Is Jesus Christ relevant in modern times, or is the message more important than the messenger? I maintain that you cannot separate the message from the messenger.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Just as we all face the threats posed by bad science, we all also face the threats posed by bad religion. Should we teach our children that God is irrelevant and that they will be judged solely on what they do? Shall we shoot the messenger and yet accept the message?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: Where do you get the idea I have ever suggested shooting a messenger? But being a "good" or productive Christian first requires being a member of one of the Chapters of Club Christian and then depends on your behavior. I cannot see how any Christ would be a requirement. Perhaps you could explain those issues? So we can have clubs based on the behavior of a dead prophet and that the prophet Himself is irrelevant to club activities. Got it. Seems you could care less whether the messenger is dead or alive. Perhaps you view the message as alive. Which means that as you do for others, you are making the words living and active. There is hope for you yet. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Not at all. I was trying to focus on theCloser To Truth Link.
I am emphasizing, however, that Scientific Methodology is no substitute for philosophical musing. Just because you cannot or will not allow yourself to speculate...building on what he said or she said....does not mean that we must dismiss philosophy based on its failure to adhere to scientific methodology. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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