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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
For those who don't remember "The Daisy Spot" ...
This scared the bjesus out of the nation and was so powerful it ran only once before it was pulled as blatantly provocative. A scant 50 years ago politics still had some semblance of scruples. I wonder if this same piece today (even more apropos re Trump's statements) would even make a ripple.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
NoNukes writes: I'm curious about how folks take on this article. My own impression as someone who has lived in urban areas since the age of 7, is that the writer's view of city folks is hopelessly incorrect. It'd be easier to comment if you were more specific. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
A runner up.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Theodoric writes: quote:Evidently this guy has never been to Northern MN, WI, or Maine, NH and Vermont. Since when is CO primarily cities? The sentence you quoted appears right below a map:
quote: I used a higher-res image that you can click on to see the county borders. Anyway, obviously he doesn't worship at the Church of the Holy Cockslap, and just as obviously he doesn't think there are cities larger than some entire states. (Holy geography, Batman!) I took a simple point away from his article: There's a great divide between Republican and Democratic constituencies, and we better work at understanding it because it's not going away. --Percy
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Percy, that map was gotten from this site. There is another map that shows shades of purple that gives a truer picture rather than simply red or blue.
Edited by kjsimons, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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more specific I suppose you are right, but my intent was to probe the impressions of others more than to lay out my own case. In responde to your request: I found the impression that California is representative of urban areas a fairly simplistic view. The description of urban/black culture in the general terms used here was so replete with racism that the writer's claims not to be racist sounded like creation science apologetics. On top of that, she made red state folks sound like short sighted buffoons incapable of empathy. Ostensibly, the author's intent was exactly the opposite. Maybe the author was being sarcastic? After reading a number of such generalizations, I wondered how much of the supposed debunking of blue state impressions of red state folks I ought to take seriously. My conclusion is that I should not take the article seriously at all. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
kjsimons writes: Percy, that map was gotten from this site. There is another map that shows shades of purple that gives a truer picture rather than simply red or blue. You mean this one?
Or the one at RealClearPolitics, which I can't figure out the URL for? Anyway, I couldn't use a different map and still say I was quoting the article. ABE: I used the same image the article used, but fetched a higher res copy from the link the article provided. --Percy Edited by Percy, : AbE.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Maps like the one above also dismiss as irrelevant or unimportant red and blue folks who happen to be a minority side in their own county. That is a pretty significant distortion.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
But the whole article is insultingly simplistic and inane.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Excellent point. It makes it seem like no Democrats live in vast parts of the country. This whole idea goes against the important concept our constitution works against. Tyranny of the majority.
With this map if a county has one more rep than dem it gets colored blue. That is effective in propaganda, but skews reality. More reason to throw the whole article in the trash. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Interesting.
I thought the article was intended to be entertainingly tongue-in-cheek while communicating a deeper message, that even if the Trump folks seem to you like they haven't a lick of sense, it's important to understand where they're coming from because they're not going away. --Percy
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Neither you or RAZD presented it that way. And it was neither entertaining or insightful. It was sophomoric at best.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Theodoric writes: But the whole article is insultingly simplistic and inane. You expected an article with the title "How Half Of America Lost Its F**king Mind" to be detailed and serious? Even after it told you right up front, "There's this universal shorthand that epic adventure movies use to tell the good guys from the bad," along with examples and images from The Hunger Games, Star Wars and Braveheart? Anyway, as I've said a couple times now, I thought he communicated an important message. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Theodoric writes: Neither you or RAZD presented it that way. And it was neither entertaining or insightful. It was sophomoric at best. Okay, sorry you didn't like it. I enjoyed it a great deal, and I still think it carried an important message. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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, it's important to understand where they're coming from because they're not going away. I accept that such was the intent. Unfortunately what I read in the article did not inspire understanding. I did feel some pity. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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