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AZPaul3
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Message 166 of 892 (793255)
10-24-2016 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Percy
10-24-2016 10:40 AM


Re: What a friend said he liked about Trump
For those who don't remember "The Daisy Spot" ...
This scared the bjesus out of the nation and was so powerful it ran only once before it was pulled as blatantly provocative. A scant 50 years ago politics still had some semblance of scruples.
I wonder if this same piece today (even more apropos re Trump's statements) would even make a ripple.

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Percy
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Message 167 of 892 (793256)
10-24-2016 4:47 PM
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10-24-2016 1:51 PM


NoNukes writes:
I'm curious about how folks take on this article. My own impression as someone who has lived in urban areas since the age of 7, is that the writer's view of city folks is hopelessly incorrect.
It'd be easier to comment if you were more specific.
--Percy

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Message 168 of 892 (793259)
10-24-2016 5:13 PM
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10-24-2016 4:32 PM


Re: What a friend said he liked about Trump
A runner up.

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Percy
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Message 169 of 892 (793260)
10-24-2016 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Theodoric
10-24-2016 3:36 PM


Theodoric writes:
quote:
The blue parts, however, are more densely populated -- they're the cities.
Evidently this guy has never been to Northern MN, WI, or Maine, NH and Vermont. Since when is CO primarily cities?
The sentence you quoted appears right below a map:
quote:
The country is lava.
Holy cockslaps, that makes it look like Obama's blue party is some kind of fringe political faction that struggles to get 20 percent of the vote. The blue parts, however, are more densely populated -- they're the cities.

I used a higher-res image that you can click on to see the county borders.
Anyway, obviously he doesn't worship at the Church of the Holy Cockslap, and just as obviously he doesn't think there are cities larger than some entire states. (Holy geography, Batman!)
I took a simple point away from his article: There's a great divide between Republican and Democratic constituencies, and we better work at understanding it because it's not going away.
--Percy

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Message 170 of 892 (793261)
10-24-2016 5:43 PM
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10-24-2016 5:20 PM


Percy, that map was gotten from this site. There is another map that shows shades of purple that gives a truer picture rather than simply red or blue.
Edited by kjsimons, : No reason given.

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Message 171 of 892 (793262)
10-24-2016 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Percy
10-24-2016 4:47 PM


more specific
I suppose you are right, but my intent was to probe the impressions of others more than to lay out my own case. In responde to your request:
I found the impression that California is representative of urban areas a fairly simplistic view. The description of urban/black culture in the general terms used here was so replete with racism that the writer's claims not to be racist sounded like creation science apologetics.
On top of that, she made red state folks sound like short sighted buffoons incapable of empathy. Ostensibly, the author's intent was exactly the opposite. Maybe the author was being sarcastic?
After reading a number of such generalizations, I wondered how much of the supposed debunking of blue state impressions of red state folks I ought to take seriously. My conclusion is that I should not take the article seriously at all.

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History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
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Percy
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Message 172 of 892 (793263)
10-24-2016 6:10 PM
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10-24-2016 5:43 PM


kjsimons writes:
Percy, that map was gotten from this site. There is another map that shows shades of purple that gives a truer picture rather than simply red or blue.
You mean this one?
Or the one at RealClearPolitics, which I can't figure out the URL for?
Anyway, I couldn't use a different map and still say I was quoting the article. ABE: I used the same image the article used, but fetched a higher res copy from the link the article provided.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : AbE.

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NoNukes
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Message 173 of 892 (793264)
10-24-2016 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Percy
10-24-2016 5:20 PM


Maps like the one above also dismiss as irrelevant or unimportant red and blue folks who happen to be a minority side in their own county. That is a pretty significant distortion.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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Message 174 of 892 (793265)
10-24-2016 6:12 PM
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10-24-2016 5:20 PM


But the whole article is insultingly simplistic and inane.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 175 of 892 (793266)
10-24-2016 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by NoNukes
10-24-2016 6:11 PM


Excellent point. It makes it seem like no Democrats live in vast parts of the country. This whole idea goes against the important concept our constitution works against. Tyranny of the majority.
With this map if a county has one more rep than dem it gets colored blue. That is effective in propaganda, but skews reality.
More reason to throw the whole article in the trash.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Percy
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Message 176 of 892 (793267)
10-24-2016 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by NoNukes
10-24-2016 6:01 PM


Interesting.
I thought the article was intended to be entertainingly tongue-in-cheek while communicating a deeper message, that even if the Trump folks seem to you like they haven't a lick of sense, it's important to understand where they're coming from because they're not going away.
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 177 of 892 (793268)
10-24-2016 6:42 PM
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10-24-2016 6:33 PM


Neither you or RAZD presented it that way. And it was neither entertaining or insightful. It was sophomoric at best.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Percy
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Message 178 of 892 (793269)
10-24-2016 6:42 PM
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10-24-2016 6:12 PM


Theodoric writes:
But the whole article is insultingly simplistic and inane.
You expected an article with the title "How Half Of America Lost Its F**king Mind" to be detailed and serious? Even after it told you right up front, "There's this universal shorthand that epic adventure movies use to tell the good guys from the bad," along with examples and images from The Hunger Games, Star Wars and Braveheart?
Anyway, as I've said a couple times now, I thought he communicated an important message.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 179 of 892 (793270)
10-24-2016 6:46 PM
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10-24-2016 6:42 PM


Theodoric writes:
Neither you or RAZD presented it that way. And it was neither entertaining or insightful. It was sophomoric at best.
Okay, sorry you didn't like it. I enjoyed it a great deal, and I still think it carried an important message.
--Percy

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NoNukes
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Message 180 of 892 (793273)
10-24-2016 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Percy
10-24-2016 6:33 PM


, it's important to understand where they're coming from because they're not going away.
I accept that such was the intent. Unfortunately what I read in the article did not inspire understanding. I did feel some pity.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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