Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?

That was an impressively long evasion of the question. Please can you have another go at answering why this prophecy was not fulfilled without torturing words and meaning. As you know, I rarely get involved with biblical discussions, but this is factual - it says this:"....Verily I say to you, that this generation shall not pass till all these things be done."It didn't happen.

In case you didn't notice I said The words are clear. It was supposed to be within the generation of those listening. And it was pretty clear that those listening thought so too.Didn't happen.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Yes, not only because he was killed, just like any other bloke, but also because he failed to return as he promised he would. Thereby failing his own prophecy. Which is exactly why the myth of the resurrection had to be created. Note that it's easy to create the myth of a resurrection and susequent permanent disappearance, but impossible to create the reality of a real return - the 'second coming'. Just like fake healers can 'heal' those with invisible ailments but not those requiring new limbs.

So the story goes. The second coming. No it wouldn't, a rumour would do it - even today it's easy to convince a group of people about almost anything. We're absolutely riddled with superstitions and conspiracy theories. The existence of similar myths from thousands of years ago still believed by millions today, tells us how easy it is to delude people. Yet he told everyone that it would happen within the generation. And that is what all his followers believed. Hiding a body is easy, telling people you've seen a dead person is easy. Returning from the dead on a cloud surrounded by cherubim and seraphim at the right hand of the Lord is rather trickier. So surprise! The one thing that might have proved his point didn't happen. And still hasn't happened 2000 years later - despite beliver's predicting it happening tomorrow for centuries.None of this story makes any sense at all. If a god wanted to convince the world of his message what a cack-handed and convoluted way of doing it. I find it really hard to believe that grown-ups believe this stuff. But then we know that people will believe almost anything - regardless of evidence or lack of it.

It means it's a myth, a magical story designed to promote the importance of the mythical event. Jupiter is 365 million miles away at it's closest point, it doesn't 'stop' over anything.

And neither does the bible. You don't even know who these guys are, how many there were or where they came from. Nor even when they came.And it's only Matthew (whoever he was) that bothers to mention this important event at all.I dunno Faith, you're prepared to swallow any old bollox if it fits your model, but if we show you hard facts that don't, you find a dozen bizarre reasons why it doesn't work.

Sheesh, how useless is that?There are only two interpretations.1. It's miracle, in which case DavidJay's angel is the best option as it would actually work. An angel really could guide a few blokes from one place to another place. (Unlike a planet 360 million miles away, that moves all over the place.)2. It's a story....Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Well I have one fairly significant one - the second coming, didn't happen. Or if it did, no-one noticed.

This makes me laugh....the contellations are made up of stars that have absolutely no relationship with each other. They were described by people who didn't know this.

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Constellations can be a useful way to help identify positions of stars in the sky. Constellations have imaginary boundaries formed by "connecting the dots" and all the stars within those boundaries are labeled with the name of that constellation. However, keep in mind that constellations are not real objects; they are just patterns as seen from our observation point on Earth. The patterns we see are for the most part just by chance. The individual stars in a constellation may appear to be very close to each other, but in fact they can be separated by huge distances in space and have no real connection to each other at all. For example, look at the image below of the stars which make up the constellation Orion. The stars in this easily-observed constellation are at VERY different distances from Earth!

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I guess you don't see the irony of comparing one work of fiction and imagination - contellations - with another - the bible - and attempting to extract meaning from it all.And this from the girl that hand waves away real facts.