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Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?

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Message 232 of 716 (788228)
07-27-2016 4:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 230 by jar
07-27-2016 4:19 PM

Re: Two Messiahs or Two Advents?
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Jesus took away the sins of the world but not the world, just those who kiss Hank's ass.
It must feel nice to be fully responsible. It means you get to have pride and credit yourself for proper behavior.
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Classic example of apologetics at its finest, word salad and carny con games.
And how is your belief any different? Apart from the fact that you are skilled at avoiding word salad. In addition, you have never trusted Christianity that is not your own brand. To me, this shows that you dont trust God. Reason? You dont believe that Christ can live in others and you prefer to feed the poor, etc yourself anyway.
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I happen to believe that is why there will be so many more atheists and Satanists and Buddhists and Jews and Muslims and Hindus and agnostics and Taoists and followers of Coyote and Confucius and Mencius in heaven than Christians.
If so, it appears God cares nothing about our behavior.
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Am I misrepresenting you again?
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
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Message 238 of 716 (788251)
07-28-2016 11:15 AM 		Reply to: Message 235 by LamarkNewAge
07-27-2016 6:51 PM

Is Google Really Our Friend?
Put "phoenicians ate pork" into google and see the evidence. They did not in B.C. times and did not in A.D. times.
Porphyry in 245 A.D. talked about that.
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Archaeology shows that they did not.
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The Hyksos didn't eat pork and it is theorized that the Egyptians did not because of them.
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more google search terms:
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hyksos ate pork
phoenicians pork herodotus
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All sorts of information. This lie that Canaanites ate pork has been around for ages, but it isn't true.
But you cant let google do your homework. You need to understand and provide an argument totally in your own words.
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What you are doing is trying to support a conclusion with google.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Message 269 of 716 (788293)
07-28-2016 7:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 252 by LamarkNewAge
07-28-2016 12:55 PM

Re: Look at James Tabor showing a prohpecy in Dead Sea Scrolls!
Again...you won't find the truth in a search engine. You can use one once you yourself have the truth within you. Otherwise it is, as jar would say...word salad.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Message 313 of 716 (789230)
08-11-2016 8:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 311 by LamarkNewAge
08-07-2016 5:01 PM

Searching For Truth
LNA writes:
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Matthew 12:40 has Jesus say that there will be 3 days and nights in the grave for the rising Messiah.
1 Corinthians 15 (around verses 3-4) has a 3 day prophecy (without the 3 nights) referenced. It says "according to the scripture" (or close to that) and "scripture" always means the pre-New Testament (usually Old Testament though not always confined to what makes up the "Old Testament" today).
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One has to wonder if there are multiple Dead Dead Scroll type texts (if any) with different details.
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To make matters more confusing, the Gospels present the Apostles as ignorant of a dying & rising Messiah, while it has the Jewish leaders as aware.
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Read this scripture. What does it tell you?
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John 5:37-40 writes:
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And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You study[c] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
In other words, the truth is not going to be found by studying the scriptures themselves...no matter how many old books and scrolls you happen to examine.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Message 315 of 716 (789282)
08-12-2016 4:04 PM 		Reply to: Message 314 by LamarkNewAge
08-12-2016 12:31 PM

Re: Searching For Truth
I put "3 days 3 nights resurrection afterlife Zoroastrian" into Google
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I look for whatever light I can find to help us learn what was going on.
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We have a different approach.
And what are you trying to find? He is as plain as the nose on your face.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Message 343 of 716 (793663)
11-03-2016 8:34 AM 		Reply to: Message 339 by Taq
10-31-2016 5:09 PM

Taq writes:
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I am the Messiah by every measure that Jesus is
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*Blink*
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You did not just say that did you?
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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